<CORSA Chapters> (Rescued) FW: Combining Chapter and National membership fees; shared databases
Bill Chellis
chelvis at camano.net
Mon Mar 2 01:29:40 EST 2009
I talked with our treasurer and the other officers this weekend and we
all agreed that if CORSA implemented this proposal,
the North Cascades Corvair club would elect to "OPT OUT".
Bill Chellis
President
North Cascades Corvairs
On Feb 28, 2009, at 12:20 AM, Bill Hubbell wrote:
> All,
>
>
>
> Please read my proposal asking CORSA to collect both national and
> chapter
> dues (below) and let's have a fruitful discussion. I really think
> this is a
> good idea and could turn out to help both CORSA and the Chapters to
> improve
> membership.
>
>
>
> Bill Hubbell
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Hubbell <whubbell at cox.net>
> To: 'CORSA BoD' <corsabod at corvair.org>
> Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 8:46 am
> Subject: Re: [Corsabod] Combining Chapter and National membership
> fees;
> shared databases
>
>
>
> I know there has been a lot of discussion on VV recently about
> membership,
> dues, etc., including the oft-repeated thought of requiring CORSA
> membership
> for all chartered Chapters. Well, I will leave that discussion to
> others.
>
>
>
> However, I am currently a member of two chapters that DO require
> 100% CORSA
> membership (Tidewater Corvair Club and the Stock Corvair Group). As
> the
> president of SCG, I am looking for a way to make it easier for us to
> both
> insure our members are also CORSA members as well as to keep our own
> records/dues, etc, up to date. We also face this same problem in TCC.
>
>
>
> Therefore, I would like to explore the possibility of asking CORSA
> to bill
> for both National and local dues and to share the data on dual
> members with
> the respective organizations. The way I see it working would be for
> chapters that wish to participate to inform CORSA of such (probably
> some
> sort of written agreement), including letting CORSA know the current
> Chapter
> Dues. CORSA would send annual statements to members which include a
> list of
> chapters they belong to (might need a form for all chapters to start
> with
> maybe this could be an on-line thing?) and members would send one
> dues check
> to cover both National and all selected Chapter dues. CORSA would
> send
> chapter dues money to the chapters along with current paid-up member
> lists.
>
>
>
> For those chapters still wanting to not require CORSA membership,
> they could
> either opt out of the program entirely or they could let CORSA take
> care of
> just the CORSA members in their chapter and they would have to worry
> about
> the non-CORSA members themselves.
>
>
>
> Please consider this proposal seriously.
>
>
>
> At the very least, the SCG is definitely interested in establishing
> such and
> arrangement.
>
>
>
> One last thought: to entice members to join both CORSA and a local
> chapter,
> the board and local chapters might consider offering a slight
> reduction in
> dues for dual membership (for example, $40 for CORSA membership
> alone, $10
> for SCG membership alone, but maybe $48 for dual membership) CORSA
> and the
> respective chapters could discuss the amount and how the cost of the
> discount is to be shared.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Bill Hubbell
>
>
>
>
>
> From: aeroned at aol.com [mailto:aeroned at aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:13 AM
> To: whubbell at umich.edu; corsabod at corvair.org
> Cc: airvair at earthlink.net; sgeast at interlog.com; kentsu at corvairkid.com;
> mandolin at rochester.rr.com
> Subject: Re: [Corsabod] Combining Chapter and National membership
> fees;
> shared databases
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> I'm not anybody and certainly don't have any authority (rightly so),
> but
> I'll acknowledge your e-mail.
>
> If I understand your proposal, you'd like there to be an option of
> paying
> local dues through CORSA, not mandatory membership, right?
>
> Right off the bat, I like the convenience for the local chapters.
>
> One difficulty (not a big problem or a "show stopper") I can see
> would be
> keeping track of the amounts of the different local chapter dues. It
> would
> require that CORSA maintain the local chapter dues rates in the
> database.
> Then what would happen if someone paid $12 for a local that was
> actually
> charging $15? Would CORSA have to go after the extra $3 or would
> that be
> handled by local muscle? Perhaps the solution would be as simple as
> if you
> pay your local dues through CORSA the rate is one amount for all
> chapters.
> For a little incentive that rate may be less than paying the chapter
> directly, as you proposed. Of course, we'd have to get the locals to
> buy
> into that.
>
> Then there's the logistics. How often would CORSA be expected to
> send the
> local chapters checks? I think the tasks currently being performed
> by the
> CORSA staff is already beyond capacity (if any board member would
> like to
> discuss that, feel free). Having problems with the national
> organization
> dispensing funds to the locals could be froth with danger (don't
> mess with
> OUR money).
>
> Bottom line is this proposal certainly warrants discussion and
> consideration.
>
> Thank You,
> Ned
>
> PS the PCG is 100% CORSA members and charges NO dues :^)
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Bill Hubbell <mailto:whubbell at cox.net>
>
> To: aeroned at aol.com;whubbell at umich.edu;corsabod at corvair.org
>
> Cc: airvair at earthlink.net; sgeast at interlog.com; kentsu at corvairkid.com;
> mandolin at rochester.rr.com
>
> Sent: 2/25/2009 11:19:07 AM
>
> Subject: RE: [Corsabod] Combining Chapter and National membership
> fees;
> shared databases
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply, Ned.
>
>
>
> Yes, you have restated the idea correctly.
>
>
>
> I agree there are logistical details, as you mentioned. However, I am
> willing to offer up the SCG as a test bed for the project, should
> the board
> be interested in pursuing the idea.
>
>
>
> I am also willing to discuss the idea with my local club, TCC.
>
>
>
> By the way, both clubs require 100% CORSA membership, so that takes
> one of
> the issues off the table.
>
>
>
> Perhaps, if the board is interested in providing this service to the
> chapters, they could conduct a survey of the chapters to determine
> the range
> of chapter dues. We might then be better able to determine if a
> single dues
> structure would be feasible.
>
>
>
> I wonder if we should open up this discussion to the Chapters List?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> From: flat6vair at comcast.net [mailto:flat6vair at comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:01 PM
> To: whubbell at umich.edu
> Cc: Mark Corbin; Stan East; Kent Sullivan; Sam & Marissa Andolino;
> CORSA
> BoD; Corsa at corvair.org
> Subject: Re: [Corsabod] Combining Chapter and National membership
> fees;
> shared databases
>
>
>
> Sorry Bill,
>
> I did not receive your email, my ISP and my email address has
> changed to
> flat6vair at comcast.net. I got bryan to correct some of my
> redirects but
> forgot to make sure it was changed elsewhere (including with Mike
> for the
> Communique) my bad.
>
> I agree, this needs to be added to the list for board to discuss on
> how to
> make CORSA work better for the chapters. The chapters list may
> help with
> some of the logistics. Does not have to be mandatory to pay both
> via CORSA,
> timeliness of notification is important. (newsletter cut offs are
> approaching for my chapter)
>
> The fees could be added to the DB at the time of a chapter report
> filing
> --or updated at anytime by the chapter rep. Does not need to be the
> same
> for all chapters --- But we also need to consider that chapters
> have more
> than one possible dues rate -- PCCA has family and single. Others
> have CORSA
> member/non member, others have "associate member" or some such.
> Doable,
> but need time to develop. Which means it needs to be put in the
> priority
> queue.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion, it has been brought up in the past, now
> I (and
> Ned) can get it in our suggestion list so hopefully it will be given
> a good
> discussion.
>
> tim mahler
>
>
>
> From: airvair at earthlink.net [mailto:airvair at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:10 PM
> To: whubbell at umich.edu; aeroned at aol.com; whubbell at umich.edu;
> corsabod at corvair.org
> Cc: sgeast at interlog.com; kentsu at corvairkid.com; mandolin at rochester.rr.com
> ;
> Corsa Chapters
> Subject: RE: [Corsabod] Combining Chapter and National membership
> fees;
> shared databases
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> I've CC'd the chapters newsgroup on this post.
>
>
>
> I've been advocating this for some time, as at least one other
> national club
> that I belong to does just that. They send out yearly (everyone's
> dues are
> due at the same time, and first-year menbers can/could be pro-rated)
> dues
> notices. Each local's dues are listed (and yes, they vary from one to
> another) and the total is at the bottom. No harder than to do
> convention
> registrations, and maybe simpler. Everyone has the option of joining
> one,
> any and as many as one wants, or no local chapter - no problem.
>
>
>
> Each year the locals are supplied with a list of members for the
> year and
> their collective dues.
>
>
>
> What if someone under/overpays? The entire thing is returned
> unprocessed. No
> problem.
>
>
>
> I don't see it as much of a hurdle to do, regardless of whether
> CORSA would
> want to do it once a month or once a year. And we could offer the
> "service"
> to local clubs who wanted to maintain 100% CORSA membership, and not
> have
> the hassle of collecting local dues. That in itself could be a selling
> point, a one-stop application process for prospective as well as
> current
> members.
>
>
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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