CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule (UNCLASSIFIED)

[O'Neill, Brian M CTR USA]

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GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!  Bob M. and I were discussing this yesterday.
Thursday after the rally and again Friday morning.

-----Original Message-----
From: conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org
[mailto:conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of EDWARD BOURGONDIEN
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:48 PM
To: Jason Cesana
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Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule

Not sure this would work but I thought I'd pass it on for consideration.
How about doing operations and classification each day at a statted time
so
people can do it when they are ready and have some free time, just a
thought.

Ward

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Jason Cesana <corvair1960 at cox.net>
wrote:

> I think different on the concours cars not being at the show on
Saturday.
> Usually they are at the show but are ineligible for any awards in the
car
> display. Plus the other idea is to have assigned parking for the
Saturday
> car display so everyone can find their spot. If we pre-assign cars to
> parking spaces BEFORE the convention starts then the participants can
find
> their spot when they register or even have it in the preregistration
> packet.
> This will take someone some time to map out the parking lot and number
the
> spaces but I think that can be done.
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org
[mailto:conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org]
> On Behalf Of Lacki, Allan V
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:41 PM
>  To: 2012 CORSA convention list
> Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule
>
> Not to pile on, but.....
>
> If we proceed to do judging on Friday and rolling awards at the show
on
> Saturday, we will be asking the Concours people to display their cars
two
> days instead of one day.  That's a lot of show time for a three-day
> convention.
>
> I think a lot of the Concours people will not be inclined to keep
their
> cars
> on field for the entire show on Saturday.  Instead, they'll just
arrive for
> the awards-portion of the Saturday show, in which case, the public
won't
> have much time to see them.  That would defeat the purpose of having
the
> show on Saturday in the first place.
>
> Also, if we do the Concours judging on Friday and the Car Display on
> Saturday, then we will burn up nearly two full days, parking and
staging
> cars.
>
> It's probably way too late to consider this for 2012, but the best
> compromise might be to start the convention on a Saturday or Sunday.
> Schedule the Concours and Car Display on the first day of the
convention,
> let the public and the media in to see the cars that same weekend, and
then
> conduct all the other activities on the remaining days.
>
> That aside, I suggest we stick with the original plan.  Concours on
> Saturday.  Streamline the judging process.  Get the trophies ready
before
> the judging is complete.  If possible, do the rolling awards ceremony
late
> Saturday afternoon, before the banquet begins.  Generally, I like the
idea
> of having a rolling-awards presentation for the Concours cars.
>
> Al Lacki
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Vairtec Corporation
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:01 PM
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> Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule
>
> I could be convinced that the Friday-concours compromise is
worthwhile,
> especially if the concours committee agrees to the idea of doing the
awards
> during the Saturday show.  This will permit us to preserve our big
Saturday
> show.
>
> However, looking further at Brian's original message, the concours
> committee
> continues to hold the entire convention hostage to their event.  They
ask
> that we end Thursday's rally by 4 PM and set aside time afterward for
> classification and ops checks.  So now our road rally's available time
> frame
> is tightened and more importantly, our planned times for the evening
> activities, including the CORSA annual meeting, are now encroached
upon by
> the concours.
>
> Remember the CORSA annual meeting?  One of the elements of the
convention
> that is actually REQUIRED?  One of the elements that we sought to make
more
> appealing by combining it with a social event?
>
> In truth, the road rally should be concluded by 4 PM anyway, so that
is no
> hardship.  What IS a hardship is that concours participants will now
have
> to
> go through the classification and ops check process instead of
enjoying
> some
> downtime before the evening's events.
>
> Given CORSA's track record for conducting the classification and ops
check
> process in a timely manner, the concours participants will like miss
> dinner,
> the CPF meeting, the annual meeting, or all three.  And when will the
road
> rally participants find time the clean their cars for the concours?
> Originally we gave them all of Friday for that.  Now they must fit it
in
> where they can.  Midnight, perhaps.
>
> Oh -- and the casual enthusiast?  He now must commit to being there
> Thursday
> and Friday.  Y'know, some people work for a living.  Our overall
concours
> participation just shrank.
>
> Again, I could accept the Friday concours compromise, especially with
the
> innovative idea of doing the concours awards as part of the big
Saturday
> car
> show.  But fer crissakes do the classification and ops checks as just
> another part of the process on Friday.  Add a team of judges who do
ops
> checks.  Add a team of judges who do classification.
> There is no reason -- NO REASON -- that cars have to be classified
before
> the judging begins.  There is no reason -- NO REASON -- for the
concours to
> consume multiple days.
>
> CORSA's concours process is totally, totally absurd, and it's death
grip on
> convention planning is toxic.
>
> --Bob Marlow
>
>
>
>
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