CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule

[Ron]

I don't think assigned parking will work, especially if we plan on opening 
up the car display to non Corsa members that will just show up just that 
day.

Ron M

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From: "Jason Cesana" <corvair1960 at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:56 PM
To: "'Lacki, Allan V'" <AVLacki at pplweb.com>; "'2012 CORSA convention list'" 
<conv-2012 at corvair.org>
Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule

> I think different on the concours cars not being at the show on Saturday.
> Usually they are at the show but are ineligible for any awards in the car
> display. Plus the other idea is to have assigned parking for the Saturday
> car display so everyone can find their spot. If we pre-assign cars to
> parking spaces BEFORE the convention starts then the participants can find
> their spot when they register or even have it in the preregistration 
> packet.
> This will take someone some time to map out the parking lot and number the
> spaces but I think that can be done.
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org]
> On Behalf Of Lacki, Allan V
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:41 PM
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> Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule
>
> Not to pile on, but.....
>
> If we proceed to do judging on Friday and rolling awards at the show on
> Saturday, we will be asking the Concours people to display their cars two
> days instead of one day.  That's a lot of show time for a three-day
> convention.
>
> I think a lot of the Concours people will not be inclined to keep their 
> cars
> on field for the entire show on Saturday.  Instead, they'll just arrive 
> for
> the awards-portion of the Saturday show, in which case, the public won't
> have much time to see them.  That would defeat the purpose of having the
> show on Saturday in the first place.
>
> Also, if we do the Concours judging on Friday and the Car Display on
> Saturday, then we will burn up nearly two full days, parking and staging
> cars.
>
> It's probably way too late to consider this for 2012, but the best
> compromise might be to start the convention on a Saturday or Sunday.
> Schedule the Concours and Car Display on the first day of the convention,
> let the public and the media in to see the cars that same weekend, and 
> then
> conduct all the other activities on the remaining days.
>
> That aside, I suggest we stick with the original plan.  Concours on
> Saturday.  Streamline the judging process.  Get the trophies ready before
> the judging is complete.  If possible, do the rolling awards ceremony late
> Saturday afternoon, before the banquet begins.  Generally, I like the idea
> of having a rolling-awards presentation for the Concours cars.
>
> Al Lacki
>
>
>
>
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>
> I could be convinced that the Friday-concours compromise is worthwhile,
> especially if the concours committee agrees to the idea of doing the 
> awards
> during the Saturday show.  This will permit us to preserve our big 
> Saturday
> show.
>
> However, looking further at Brian's original message, the concours 
> committee
> continues to hold the entire convention hostage to their event.  They ask
> that we end Thursday's rally by 4 PM and set aside time afterward for
> classification and ops checks.  So now our road rally's available time 
> frame
> is tightened and more importantly, our planned times for the evening
> activities, including the CORSA annual meeting, are now encroached upon by
> the concours.
>
> Remember the CORSA annual meeting?  One of the elements of the convention
> that is actually REQUIRED?  One of the elements that we sought to make 
> more
> appealing by combining it with a social event?
>
> In truth, the road rally should be concluded by 4 PM anyway, so that is no
> hardship.  What IS a hardship is that concours participants will now have 
> to
> go through the classification and ops check process instead of enjoying 
> some
> downtime before the evening's events.
>
> Given CORSA's track record for conducting the classification and ops check
> process in a timely manner, the concours participants will like miss 
> dinner,
> the CPF meeting, the annual meeting, or all three.  And when will the road
> rally participants find time the clean their cars for the concours?
> Originally we gave them all of Friday for that.  Now they must fit it in
> where they can.  Midnight, perhaps.
>
> Oh -- and the casual enthusiast?  He now must commit to being there 
> Thursday
> and Friday.  Y'know, some people work for a living.  Our overall concours
> participation just shrank.
>
> Again, I could accept the Friday concours compromise, especially with the
> innovative idea of doing the concours awards as part of the big Saturday 
> car
> show.  But fer crissakes do the classification and ops checks as just
> another part of the process on Friday.  Add a team of judges who do ops
> checks.  Add a team of judges who do classification.
> There is no reason -- NO REASON -- that cars have to be classified before
> the judging begins.  There is no reason -- NO REASON -- for the concours 
> to
> consume multiple days.
>
> CORSA's concours process is totally, totally absurd, and it's death grip 
> on
> convention planning is toxic.
>
> --Bob Marlow
>
>
>
>
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