CORSA 2012: NECC: Next Year

Wed Aug 22 13:31:06 EDT 2012

This convention could be a lot of fun. And pretty easy to schedule..
Concours with CT Corsa,
Autocross with CART
Rally with CVCC..
Start making Plans...

Robert Scheidel
Manufacturing Engineer
Electrical Wiring Systems Division
Legrand, North America

860.263.3462 x33462 / Fax 860.231.1723
robert.scheidel at legrand.us
www.legrand.us

             KEVIN JOHNSON                                                 
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Everyone knows that Bayshore took the "any car" type approach to it's
annual event at Pocono over the 15 years or so of running the event.
Of course this was a track only event and at the height we had @80 cars.
I did not see any posts regarding the poor economy. THIS is what eventually
brought the end to the Bayshore at Pocono events and it what is killing all
events regardless of the format.

Towards the end of the Pocono events there were mostly "deep pockets"
attendees and the grassroots low budget people were not showing anymore.

I would think that anyone in the middle class that once had a Corvair may
not be able to maintain, store, or much less "race" their cars anymore.

The economy has put a damper on any event whether it's automotive,
entertainment, etc.

Fix the economy and "they will come". Otherwise we're just beating a dead
horse.

Just my opinion,
Kevin, non-voting Bayshore Corvair member

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Ron Manwaring <ramanwaring at cox.net> wrote:

> The NECC Lime Rock event got smaller over the years due to the age of the
> cars, their owners and not wanting to run their aging cars on the track
> anymore, but really dropped after the weekend date disappeared. With the
> event in the middle of the week, many do not want to take the extra time
> off
> from work, especially the car show group. Also, the rules changes prevent
> many from even running a time trial event now even if they want to with
> their street cars due to the need for added safety equipment (third
> harness,
> etc).
>
> I think the best way to have a total Corvair event is to have the types
of
> events that all the cars can participate in. Unfortunately, this probably
> does not include time trials due to the reasons stated above. Please
don't
> attack me on that as I love racing, it just seems to be a limited group.
>
> So maybe an idea is to do a 2 or 3 day New England (where the NECC
started)
> event like mini convention and have a car show, rally and/or autocross on
> the off BayState/Clarks year and then do the Olympic high speed event the
> other year outside New England for the go really fast guys.
>
> Ron M
> CT Corsa
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "O'Neill, Brian M CTR US USA" <brian.oneill1 at us.army.mil>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:37 PM
> To: "Vairtec Corporation" <vairtec at comcast.net>; "Terry&Alexis Stafford"
> <terry_alexis at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <conv-2012 at corvair.org>; <neccexec at corvair.org>
> Subject: Re: NECC: CORSA 2012:  Next Year
>
> > To suggest that somehow NECC just gave up on the car show does not tell
> > the whole story. Yes, once upon a time the judged show was serious
> > enough to earn credit toward CORSA Senior Division status. However,
that
> > procedure no longer exists. Years back, we wanted to have a
> > min-convention with a CORSA sanctioned concours. Bob, if you remember,
> > we were required to fund travel and lodgng the CORSA Concours Chair and
> > required to use CORSA judging procedures.  Unless, my memory fails me,
> > you were in agreement that we should not do that.  In fact, as I
> > remember, you then wrote the judges' instructions still in the NECC
> > procedures manual.
> >
> > In addition to what we then considered unbearable financial and
> > procedural; support for the car show waned.  It became harder and
harder
> > to get works to work as judges.  Finding a location as the Interlake
> > continually raised their rates. Became almost impossible.
> > To say that the loss of the car show has been 'self-defeating' is
> > overstating a complex issue.
> >
> > Although I do not agree with you and terry that we need a name change
> > nor do I believe that we should give up on the Olympics which have been
> > very well attended and profitable; your idea has merit.  Unbelievable
as
> > it may be; I have been day dreaming about a long weekend event in the
> > off cycle years between Bay State's Clark's show. My plan was for an
> > autocross, low key rally and a car show. The event would be focused on
> > fun and friendship.  To quote a friend of mine---" Make everything else
> > "just for fun.  Not everything has to be a serious contest -- our slow
> > drag races proved that."A New England location would probably be the
> > most suitable but could move among the northern states.
> >
> > So, my vision for the path forward is a minimum of one track event in
> > 2013 with the hope of a south eastern Olympics and the long weekend
> > event in 2014.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org
> > [mailto:conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Vairtec Corporation
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:09 PM
> > To: Terry&Alexis Stafford
> > Cc: neccexec at corvair.org; conv-2012 at corvair.org
> > Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: NECC: Next Year
> >
> > Terry provides interesting food for thought.
> >
> > I like the nomenclature, "Corvair Triathlon" but I would suggest that
> > along with a new name there is a need for a new mindset. Just as we
were
> >
> > trying to re-invent the convention this year, we should consider
> > re-inventing the signature NECC event.
> >
> > For a long time the NECC did the track event at Lime Rock in
conjunction
> >
> > with a judged car show that in some years was serious enough to earn
> > entrants credit toward CORSA Senior Division status.  In later years
the
> >
> > car show became less formal.  In recent years the car show at NECC
> > events virtually disappeared.
> >
> > There is a great deal that can be said about the age of the cars and
the
> >
> > age of their owners and the diminishing Corvair participation in track
> > events.  But the loss of emphasis on the car show and then the loss of
> > the car show itself has been self defeating for the NECC.
> >
> > I would suggest that an annual "Corvair Triathlon" should consist of:
> >
> > (1) a track event.  Whether it is a high-speed event such as the NECC
> > has done for so many years or a reasonably fast autocross such as the
> > convention autocross at Stafford Speedway, track events are the
> > foundation of the NECC.  However, while some of us may not want to
admit
> >
> > it, an event like the Stafford Speedway autocross is far more
accessible
> >
> > to far more Corvair owners, and therefore far more likely to succeed.
> >
> > (2) a road rally or driving tour.  The road rally at conventions is
> > typically the best-attended moving event, and today more and more
> > Corvair owners are participating in AACA driving tours. Maybe we should
> > take the hint.
> >
> > (3) a car show.  Car shows are a big part of why people own Corvairs
> > today.  The cars are no longer daily drivers, they are hobby cars, and
> > hobby car owners like to go to well-organized, well-run car shows.
> >
> > If we were to situate such an event in New England, I would suggest
that
> >
> > it become an every-other-year thing, alternating with Bay State's "Fall
> > Classic at Clark's."  This would prevent each event from
"cannibalizing"
> >
> > the other and would in fact allow them to support one another.  This,
of
> >
> > course, means that we would be planning for 2014, not next year.  (This
> > does not mean that the NECC cannot do something in 2013, it just means
> > that it ought not be in New England in 2013.)
> >
> > As an aside, I have not heard about the road course plans that Terry
> > mentions at Thompson Speedway, but I will take it upon myself to ask
the
> >
> > track owner about this.
> >
> > --Bob
> >
> >
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