[FC] Re: Corvanatics Digest, Vol 11, Issue 17
Patrick Skiver
pnsskiver at sbcglobal.net
Mon Dec 19 20:59:04 EST 2005
Oh yea. When I went to my local Department of Motor Vehicles office to transfer the California title,I found out there is no computer listing for an eight door, so when they asked "how many doors it has", they were going to deny my title request! Pat Skiver,61 Greenbrier eight door...5 door hatchback on the title!!!
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1. Re: A Corvair FC "coffee table" book? (Paul Campbell)
2. Re: A Corvair FC "coffee table" book? (Merv Krull)
3. Re: A Corvair FC "coffee table" book? (Rad Davis)
4. RE: A Corvair FC "coffee table" book? (Western Canada CORSA)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:02:19 -0500
From: "Paul Campbell"
Subject: Re: [FC] A Corvair FC "coffee table" book?
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I would most likely buy one (if reasonably priced) and would help with contributions of photos of my "old" Rampside (1963 Green and white) and my "new" Rampside (1961 Blue and White) if interested. Thanks.
V/R Paul C.
Dillsburg, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: Merv Krull
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org ; The Corvanatics list ; corvairs at cybrus.net
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [FC] A Corvair FC "coffee table" book?
I would gladly offer several photos, and all kinds of free advice too! I
just think it would make such an interesting book... more than a coffee
table book, less than a technical manual, but something that joe average
would see in a bookstore and say, "Kewl"
How many out there in CORSALAND would buy a book like this?
Let's talk it up, but more importantly, I want to see this as a book, ready
to go by Dec 1, 2006, just in time for Christmas!
toodles
Merv Krull
Salmon Arm, BC
VP Western Canadian Corsa
62 Greenbrier (in body shop)
64 700 4 door 3 speed (in snow drift)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rad Davis" >
To: "The Corvanatics list" >
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [FC] CORVAIR BURIAL and other unusual examples
> It's a matter of content. What's there is now a one-web-page outline of
> how the FC came to be, what it is like, and how it is related to the
> corvair cars. It might make a good outline for three chapters, but it's
> definitely not a book itself. Frankly, I never thought of doing a book,
> but there's no reason I/we couldn't.
>
> The FC primer has been nearly static for years. It's so old that it's
> based on HTML 2.0, and the pictures are sized for best viewing on an
> 800x600 screen. Likewise, its URL has been the same for at least five
> years. This has been somewhat intentional--reference info on the web is
> of no use if you can't find it where you saw it last.
>
> If I were to go to hard copy, I'd definitely add more content, of course.
> And I'd broaden the content as well. Maybe repurpose some stuff from the
> CORSA beginner's handbook, if rights could be gotten.
>
> The writing is not much of a chore for me. Source material and original
> documents for illustrations and references are more of a challenge. I
> suspect that the CORSA library, back issues of the Corvan Antics, and Dave
> Newell and Larry Claypool. would quickly become heavily-consulted
> resources. With the development of just-in-time printing, it has never
> been easier to print a book.
>
> Maybe we should consider a collaborative project, like the beginner's
> manual. I'll volunteer here and now to be the editor.
>
> In any event, I have always been interested in getting the FC "word" out
> there, and I'll say it again: If you have anything FC specific that is
> rare and interesting - like those design buck photos I have posted - for
> instance, I'll happily add it to the site with attribution. I claim
> copyright to the site's contents, but that is only to keep people from
> using the content in some way that I would find offensive--people do weird
> things with information on the web. A good bit of what is on my website
> has been published in club newsletters, and I've never refused a reuse
> request.
>
> Rad Davis
> keeper of the Forward Control Corvair Primer:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~corvair/fc1.html
>
>
>
> At 09:15 PM 12/7/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>>Excellent idea! Any thoughts of bumping the Primer up to book status and
>>sell the word to the great unwashed?
>>toodles
>>Merv Krull
>>Salmon Arm, BC
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rad Davis" >
>>To: "The Corvanatics list" >
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:48 PM
>>Subject: Re: [FC] CORVAIR BURIAL and other unusual examples
>>
>>
>>>We have one. If you send them to me, I'll drop them in the section at
>>>the bottom of the FC Primer.
>>>
>>>At 02:58 PM 12/7/2005 -0500, N2VZD at aol.com wrote:
>>>>well i guess we need a website for such stuff...get lots of good
>>>>pictures
>>>>guys..
>>>>regards, tim colson
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:15:38 -0800
From: "Merv Krull"
Subject: Re: [FC] A Corvair FC "coffee table" book?
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I can think of two approaches:
1. Run a limited number of copies... maybe 50... number them... "limited
edition collector's item"... maybe $200 each?
or
2. Aim for a very reasonable price of maybe $25 ... solicit pre-orders until
printing costs are covered for maybe 250 books... see if Chapters would like
an exclusive... right after the special price for CORSA members... print
them up...
"a very naive book promoter"
Merv Krull
Salmon Arm, BC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rad Davis"
To: "The Corvanatics list"
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [FC] A Corvair FC "coffee table" book?
> I'm thinking about using a just-in-time printing service like Lulu.com.
> We'll have to do some research (here, and probably on VV) to see how many
> pages of color people want to pay for.
>
> The last thing I want is boxes of unsold books in my basement and a huge
> printing bill.
>
> I'm guessing that CORSA has some sort of preexisting authorization from GM
> to use their old press photos. I surely don't want to run in to
> copyright trouble.
>
> Your photos are very welcome, though. I was worried about the lack of
> print quality graphics.
>
>
>
>
> At 02:14 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>> Regarding the FC 'coffee table' book, I have some early 60's
>> advertising
>>B/W photos from GM, and a ton of photos of my Rampside (some, at work).
>> I don't think you'll be lacking photos...just buyers.
>> Printing a coffee table book can easily cost $50 each unless the
>> quantity
>>printed is in the thousands.
>> I've designed a few books in my last 30 years as an art director, so
>> I'd
>>be willing to help where I can.
>>Bill Beckley
>>'61 Rampside
>>__________________________________________________
>
> Rad Davis: rad.davis at comcast.net
> Corvairs--65, 66 Corsa coupes, '65 'brier Deluxe http://www.corvair.org/
> Keeper of the Forward Control Corvair Primer:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~corvair/fc1.html
> "We did Nebraska in seven minutes today. I think that's probably the best
> way to do Nebraska." --Brian Shul, _Sled
> Driver_
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:44:30 -0500
From: Rad Davis
Subject: Re: [FC] A Corvair FC "coffee table" book?
To: The Corvanatics list
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Pictures are good. Care to declare one or two public domain so that I can
put them in the Wikipedia Corvair entry? It was pretty bad, but I've been
slowly improving it...
Remember, you have to have taken the picture in order to have creator
rights to it...
As for the book itself, do we really want a "coffee table" book. I like
the idea of a book that is pretty to look at, and that isn't one you'd plan
on taking into the garage and getting greasy. Having said that, I've
usually found coffee table books light on actual content.
I'm thinking of a book that is a little more practically focused. Maybe
1-2 pretty pictures on a page, along with more technical pictures (like the
front and rear suspension shots on the FC primer) where appropriate.
Then comes the question of content. Do we want the history through 1965,
or do we want to go further and explore the practicalities of living with
one? I don't think we want to go into procedures for this, that or the
other, but at least explaining (as an example) that the rear wheel bearings
are unobtanium, and so must be cared for carefully by the procedures in the
CORSA Tech Guide might be a good thing.
I'm thinking that exploring why they're still so popular with us FC nut
cases is probably a worthwhile topic. Pictures of customizations and
variations as well as sales material and good examples of the beast.
Part of my reasoning is that Tony Fiore did such a good job with basic
Corvair history in The Corvair Decade that we probably want to expand the
range of topics somewhat, or we just end up with a miniature "Decade" that
only covers four years and has lots of pictures of boxy trucks.
If we're going to put the amount of effort required into this thing to make
it both pretty and worth reading, we had better make a book that will
actually appeal to someone.
And yes, offers of help from Art Directors are very welcome indeed!
At 09:02 PM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>I would most likely buy one (if reasonably priced) and would help with
>contributions of photos of my "old" Rampside (1963 Green and white) and my
>"new" Rampside (1961 Blue and White) if interested. Thanks.
>V/R Paul C.
>Dillsburg, PA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Merv Krull
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org ; The
> Corvanatics list ;
> corvairs at cybrus.net
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:53 PM
> Subject: [FC] A Corvair FC "coffee table" book?
>
>
> I would gladly offer several photos, and all kinds of free advice too! I
> just think it would make such an interesting book... more than a coffee
> table book, less than a technical manual, but something that joe average
> would see in a bookstore and say, "Kewl"
> How many out there in CORSALAND would buy a book like this?
> Let's talk it up, but more importantly, I want to see this as a book,
> ready
> to go by Dec 1, 2006, just in time for Christmas!
> toodles
> Merv Krull
> Salmon Arm, BC
> VP Western Canadian Corsa
> 62 Greenbrier (in body shop)
> 64 700 4 door 3 speed (in snow drift)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rad Davis" >
> To: "The Corvanatics list"
> >
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [FC] CORVAIR BURIAL and other unusual examples
>
>
> > It's a matter of content. What's there is now a one-web-page outline of
> > how the FC came to be, what it is like, and how it is related to the
> > corvair cars. It might make a good outline for three chapters, but it's
> > definitely not a book itself. Frankly, I never thought of doing a book,
> > but there's no reason I/we couldn't.
> >
> > The FC primer has been nearly static for years. It's so old that it's
> > based on HTML 2.0, and the pictures are sized for best viewing on an
> > 800x600 screen. Likewise, its URL has been the same for at least five
> > years. This has been somewhat intentional--reference info on the web is
> > of no use if you can't find it where you saw it last.
> >
> > If I were to go to hard copy, I'd definitely add more content, of
> course.
> > And I'd broaden the content as well. Maybe repurpose some stuff from
> the
> > CORSA beginner's handbook, if rights could be gotten.
> >
> > The writing is not much of a chore for me. Source material and original
> > documents for illustrations and references are more of a challenge. I
> > suspect that the CORSA library, back issues of the Corvan Antics, and
> Dave
> > Newell and Larry Claypool. would quickly become heavily-consulted
> > resources. With the development of just-in-time printing, it has never
> > been easier to print a book.
> >
> > Maybe we should consider a collaborative project, like the beginner's
> > manual. I'll volunteer here and now to be the editor.
> >
> > In any event, I have always been interested in getting the FC "word"
> out
> > there, and I'll say it again: If you have anything FC specific that is
> > rare and interesting - like those design buck photos I have posted - for
> > instance, I'll happily add it to the site with attribution. I claim
> > copyright to the site's contents, but that is only to keep people from
> > using the content in some way that I would find offensive--people do
> weird
> > things with information on the web. A good bit of what is on my website
> > has been published in club newsletters, and I've never refused a reuse
> > request.
> >
> > Rad Davis
> > keeper of the Forward Control Corvair Primer:
> >
> http://www.mindspring.com/~corvair/fc1.html
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:15 PM 12/7/2005 -0800, you wrote:
> >>Excellent idea! Any thoughts of bumping the Primer up to book status and
> >>sell the word to the great unwashed?
> >>toodles
> >>Merv Krull
> >>Salmon Arm, BC
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rad Davis"
> >
> >>To: "The Corvanatics list"
> >
> >>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:48 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [FC] CORVAIR BURIAL and other unusual examples
> >>
> >>
> >>>We have one. If you send them to me, I'll drop them in the section at
> >>>the bottom of the FC Primer.
> >>>
> >>>At 02:58 PM 12/7/2005 -0500, N2VZD at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>well i guess we need a website for such stuff...get lots of good
> >>>>pictures
> >>>>guys..
> >>>>regards, tim colson
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>Corvanatics mailing list
> >>>>Corvanatics at corvair.org
> >>>>http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics
> >>>>This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America,
> >>>>http://www.corvair.org/
> >>>
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> >>>http://www.corvair.org/
> >>
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> >
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__________________________________________________________________________
Rad Davis: rad.davis at comcast.net
Corvairs--65, 66 Corsa coupes, '65 'brier Deluxe http://www.corvair.org/
Keeper of the Forward Control Corvair Primer:
http://www.mindspring.com/~corvair/fc1.html
"We did Nebraska in seven minutes today. I think that's probably the best
way to do Nebraska." --Brian Shul, _Sled Driver_
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:49:48 -0800
From: Western Canada CORSA
Subject: RE: [FC] A Corvair FC "coffee table" book?
To: 'The Corvanatics list'
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Prior to reading this email I was thinking along the lines of "lots of
pictures book"
After reading the email, I'm with Rad. Good post, eh!
Regards,
Joel
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