From Mikeamauro at aol.com Tue Dec 2 11:10:36 2008 From: Mikeamauro at aol.com (Mikeamauro at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:10:36 EST Subject: [FC] The Ethanol Free Premium Coalition Forum Message-ID: There is a new forum just started created to fend off the total elimination of ethanol-free fuel: _http://www.e0pc.com/index.php_ (http://www.e0pc.com/index.php) Contrary to (un) popular belief, total elimination of non-ethanol fuel is not a "Done" deal: read more at above listed site. Within the new forum, in the Florida section, I've started a "Registry of Ethanol-Free Stations in Florida": _http://e0pc.com/forum/index.php?topic=27.0_ (http://e0pc.com/forum/index.php?topic=27.0) You should be able to view the posts without registering to the site, but to post or reply a simple registration is necessary. My Florida post is set up to allow anyone to add known ethanol-free stations. Besides standard fuel, I would think some Fastvair folks could provide locations of ethanol-free race fuel. Thank you, Mike Mauro **************Finally, one site has it all: your friends, your email, your favorite sites. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000006) From woofcorvair at aol.com Tue Dec 9 08:31:39 2008 From: woofcorvair at aol.com (woofcorvair at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:31:39 EST Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information Message-ID: Hello: This week I have decided to install the new "extra bright" bulbs for both the tail light and license plate areas. I noticed that Clark's Corvair Parts do not have all of the necessary "extra bright" bulbs that are needed. It would be greatly appreciated, if someone would inform me on which parts stores, and the bulbs ID information, that I may order from for these particular bulbs. I am replacing the old bayonet style #1157 bulbs. Thank you. Darrell in SW Missouri **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From N2VZD at aol.com Tue Dec 9 08:49:01 2008 From: N2VZD at aol.com (N2VZD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:49:01 EST Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information Message-ID: i have been running the led bulbs available everywhere (napa auto zone etc) for a long time now. they are slightly brighter , but i am looking for something as bright as the later gm units. i was given a tail assembly from a smacked up sedan deville to play with , and those led's are VERY bright and different construction. they run on @5 volts thru a special power supply/regulator module and are mounted on a tin heat sink. i hope to have time to play with those parts sometime soon. also i wonder if just making the lense thinner and repolishing would help. they seem very thick , and do not pass light as well as modern. better light on the back of these vehicles has been a goal of mine for a long time.(along with several other "upgrades!") you can buy replacements in the bulb section of many auto suppliers on a card of 2. they are better , but not as good as i want. regards, tim colson **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From vairmech at aol.com Tue Dec 9 09:45:39 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:45:39 -0500 Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB2823F004E420-600-151@webmail-md10.sysops.aol.com> ???? One thing you you should notice is that the reflective quality of the rear housing is like a mirror on the new cars. I used to paint the inside of my housings with the chrome paint, not silver, chrome. That coupled with the 2057 bulbs added some illumination back there but also adding the extra small bulb in the corner is also a good idea. There was a write up about that some time ago. ??? You will notice that any LED bulb has a 5 volt supply as that is what they run on. Even the bayonet LED bulbs you buy in the store have the voltage reduction in the base. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com -----Original Message----- From: woofcorvair at aol.com To: corvanatics at corvair.org Sent: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 8:31 am Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information Hello: This week I have decided to install the new "extra bright" bulbs for both the tail light and license plate areas. I noticed that Clark's Corvair Parts do not have all of the necessary "extra bright" bulbs that are needed. It would be greatly appreciated, if someone would inform me on which parts stores, and the bulbs ID information, that I may order from for these particular bulbs. I am replacing the old bayonet style #1157 bulbs. Thank you. Darrell in SW Missouri **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) _______________________________________________ Corvanatics mailing list Corvanatics at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From Mikeamauro at aol.com Tue Dec 9 10:18:33 2008 From: Mikeamauro at aol.com (Mikeamauro at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:18:33 EST Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information Message-ID: "...better light on the back of these vehicles has been a goal of mine for a long time.(along with several other "upgrades!")..." Mine too, Tim. Please keep me posted on what you find with the tail light assemblies. In the meantime, I've located, and have in use on my wife's van and my 67 coupe, an LED third brake light I've found to work & fit particularly well: LED 40: _http://www.atcomp.com/php/product.php?type_id=4&prod_cat=20&prod_id=48_ (http://www.atcomp.com/php/product.php?type_id=4&prod_cat=20&prod_id=48) Use with the coordinating solid state relay... "Stop Logic" AT LC 1: _http://www.atcomp.com/php/protypecat.php?type_id=4&prod_cat=23_ (http://www.atcomp.com/php/protypecat.php?type_id=4&prod_cat=23) And use a 12-Volt slave relay (Bosh makes a good one with socket & pigtails) to provide full voltage to the LED 40. Wire the brake light output from the Stop Logic to fire the control coil of the slave relay (the other side of coil goes to ground). Feed the power circuit of the relay directly from the positive of the battery, through a fuse or fusible link, to the relay, and out to the LED 40. Thanks, Mike Mauro **************Stay in touch with ALL of your friends: update your AIM, Bebo, Facebook, and MySpace pages with just one click. The NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000012) From Wild8bill at aol.com Tue Dec 9 10:33:56 2008 From: Wild8bill at aol.com (Wild8bill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:33:56 EST Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information Message-ID: I added an independent turn signal bulb next to the brake/tail bulb. Your local parts store should have 1156 and other sockets that press into a 3/4" (?) hole. Plenty of room to add a second socket without putting one in the "tip". I haven't done this, but using a relay to allow more amps to the tail lights so you can run higher wattage bulbs is a good idea. Also at your local parts store, 30 amp about $5 each. There is also a thin strip of LED's made to mount in the space between the tailgate and the bumper of modern pickups, about 3-4' long and 1/4" high. It would also work well with FC's; it's designed to be a "third" brake light. For me, I found the turn signals to be too dim compared to the tail lights at night, and I don't believe they worked as turn signals when the brakes were also being applied, so I added the independent turn signal bulb sockets. My next modification will be an unobtrusive bed light, I'm looking for some bright 1" diameter flush mount housings to install on the rear corners of the cab, lighting the bed. Truck stops are excellent sources for stuff like that. To keep from messing up the body, I may just get a magnetic light and wire in a waterproof connection under the cab. Bill richmond CA PS: clutch cable came yesterday, rampy back on the road tomorrow! **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From omarsphatt at hotmail.com Wed Dec 10 10:28:34 2008 From: omarsphatt at hotmail.com (Scotty Borror) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:28:34 -0800 Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey all, I'm using the 5 watt "Luxeon" bulbs available at www.superbrightleds.com in the tails, back-ups, & front turn signal/parking lights of my '63 Safari wagon, and plan on getting some for my Loadside. Definitely brighter than standard bulbs, direct replacement for 1156 or 1157's available in red, amber, and white, and no special wiring required, though you will need a variable load electronic flasher to maintain a proper turn signal flash rate. Added benefit: super low amperage draw. The only drawback is the price, about $30 apiece, though after receiving & installing them, I'm definitely happy with the money spent versus the cheap ones from the local autoparts store... scotty ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip. --Daniel Reardon> From: corvanatics-request at corvair.org> Subject: Corvanatics Digest, Vol 47, Issue 2> To: corvanatics at corvair.org> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:00:02 -0500> > Send Corvanatics mailing list submissions to> corvanatics at corvair.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> corvanatics-request at corvair.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> corvanatics-owner at corvair.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Corvanatics digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Rampside Bulbs Information (woofcorvair at aol.com)> 2. Re: Rampside Bulbs Information (N2VZD at aol.com)> 3. Re: Rampside Bulbs Information (Ken Hand)> 4. Re: Rampside Bulbs Information (Mikeamauro at aol.com)> 5. Re: Rampside Bulbs Information (Wild8bill at aol.com)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:31:39 EST> From: woofcorvair at aol.com> Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information> To: corvanatics at corvair.org> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Hello:> This week I have decided to install the new "extra bright" bulbs for both > the tail light and license> plate areas. I noticed that Clark's Corvair Parts do not have all of the > necessary "extra bright" bulbs that are needed.> It would be greatly appreciated, if someone would inform me on which > parts stores, and the> bulbs ID information, that I may order from for these particular bulbs. I > am replacing the old> bayonet style #1157 bulbs.> > Thank you. Darrell in SW Missouri> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:49:01 EST> From: N2VZD at aol.com> Subject: Re: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information> To: woofcorvair at aol.com, corvanatics at corvair.org> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > i have been running the led bulbs available everywhere (napa auto zone > etc) for a long time now. they are slightly brighter , but i am looking for > something as bright as the later gm units. i was given a tail assembly from a > smacked up sedan deville to play with , and those led's are VERY bright and > different construction. they run on @5 volts thru a special power > supply/regulator module and are mounted on a tin heat sink. i hope to have time to play > with those parts sometime soon. also i wonder if just making the lense thinner > and repolishing would help. they seem very thick , and do not pass light as > well as modern.> better light on the back of these vehicles has been a goal of mine for a > long time.(along with several other "upgrades!")> you can buy replacements in the bulb section of many auto suppliers on a > card of 2. they are better , but not as good as i want.> regards, tim colson> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:45:39 -0500> From: Ken Hand > Subject: Re: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information> To: corvanatics at corvair.org> Message-ID: <8CB2823F004E420-600-151 at webmail-md10.sysops.aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > ???? One thing you you should notice is that the reflective quality of the rear housing is like a mirror on the new cars. I used to paint the inside of my housings with the chrome paint, not silver, chrome. That coupled with the 2057 bulbs added some illumination back there but also adding the extra small bulb in the corner is also a good idea. There was a write up about that some time ago.> > ??? You will notice that any LED bulb has a 5 volt supply as that is what they run on. Even the bayonet LED bulbs you buy in the store have the voltage reduction in the base. > > > > > > Ken Hand> 248-613-8586> www.corvairmechanic.com> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: woofcorvair at aol.com> To: corvanatics at corvair.org> Sent: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 8:31 am> Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information> > > > > > > > > > > Hello:> This week I have decided to install the new "extra bright" bulbs for both > the tail light and license> plate areas. I noticed that Clark's Corvair Parts do not have all of the > necessary "extra bright" bulbs that are needed.> It would be greatly appreciated, if someone would inform me on which > parts stores, and the> bulbs ID information, that I may order from for these particular bulbs. I > am replacing the old> bayonet style #1157 bulbs.> > Thank you. Darrell in SW Missouri> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)> _______________________________________________> Corvanatics mailing list> Corvanatics at corvair.org> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:18:33 EST> From: Mikeamauro at aol.com> Subject: Re: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information> To: N2VZD at aol.com, corvanatics at corvair.org> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > "...better light on the back of these vehicles has been a goal of mine for a > long time.(along with several other "upgrades!")..."> > Mine too, Tim. Please keep me posted on what you find with the tail light > assemblies. In the meantime, I've located, and have in use on my wife's van and > my 67 coupe, an LED third brake light I've found to work & fit particularly > well:> > > LED 40:> _http://www.atcomp.com/php/product.php?type_id=4&prod_cat=20&prod_id=48_ > (http://www.atcomp.com/php/product.php?type_id=4&prod_cat=20&prod_id=48) > > Use with the coordinating solid state relay... "Stop Logic" AT LC 1:> > _http://www.atcomp.com/php/protypecat.php?type_id=4&prod_cat=23_ > (http://www.atcomp.com/php/protypecat.php?type_id=4&prod_cat=23) > > And use a 12-Volt slave relay (Bosh makes a good one with socket & pigtails) > to provide full voltage to the LED 40. Wire the brake light output from the > Stop Logic to fire the control coil of the slave relay (the other side of > coil goes to ground). Feed the power circuit of the relay directly from the > positive of the battery, through a fuse or fusible link, to the relay, and out to > the LED 40.> > Thanks,> Mike Mauro> > > > **************Stay in touch with ALL of your friends: update your AIM, Bebo, > Facebook, and MySpace pages with just one click. The NEW AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000012)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:33:56 EST> From: Wild8bill at aol.com> Subject: Re: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information> To: corvanatics at corvair.org> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > I added an independent turn signal bulb next to the brake/tail bulb. Your > local parts store should have 1156 and other sockets that press into a 3/4" (?) > hole. Plenty of room to add a second socket without putting one in the "tip". > I haven't done this, but using a relay to allow more amps to the tail lights > so you can run higher wattage bulbs is a good idea. Also at your local parts > store, 30 amp about $5 each. There is also a thin strip of LED's made to > mount in the space between the tailgate and the bumper of modern pickups, about > 3-4' long and 1/4" high. It would also work well with FC's; it's designed to > be a "third" brake light.> > For me, I found the turn signals to be too dim compared to the tail lights > at night, and I don't believe they worked as turn signals when the brakes were > also being applied, so I added the independent turn signal bulb sockets.> > My next modification will be an unobtrusive bed light, I'm looking for some > bright 1" diameter flush mount housings to install on the rear corners of the > cab, lighting the bed. Truck stops are excellent sources for stuff like that. > To keep from messing up the body, I may just get a magnetic light and wire > in a waterproof connection under the cab.> > Bill > richmond CA> > PS: clutch cable came yesterday, rampy back on the road tomorrow!> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)> > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Corvanatics mailing list> Corvanatics at corvair.org> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/> > End of Corvanatics Digest, Vol 47, Issue 2> ****************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From N2VZD at aol.com Thu Dec 11 05:01:47 2008 From: N2VZD at aol.com (N2VZD at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:01:47 EST Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information Message-ID: i miss spoke about LED voltage , they run on @2 volts not 5. duh a regular led diode at 5 volts would become a flash diode. anyhow i powered up a few on the bench last night, and they are bright like lasers (much brighter than the led replacement bulbs i have!) at 2 volts , and dont draw enough current to show on my bench supply. (i have pictures!) now to fit a few in the rampy housings.. regards, tim colson **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From lechevrier at earthlink.net Thu Dec 11 12:30:30 2008 From: lechevrier at earthlink.net (Chris & Bill Strickland) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:30:30 -0800 Subject: [FC] 61 Loadside update - heater X post Message-ID: <49414E36.3030508@earthlink.net> Some good heater info for FC'ers that don't read VV -- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:06:46 -0500 From: Bryan Blackwell Subject: Re: 61 Loadside update To: "The Reinharts" Cc: Virtual Vairs If you're going to do the heater, you might wish to look over Bob Marlow's comments on the FC heater duct. I have that and the work I did on ours at: http://autoxer.skiblack.com/fc-heat.html --Bryan From takidd at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 12:46:19 2008 From: takidd at gmail.com (Al Kidd) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:46:19 -0500 Subject: [FC] Corvanatics Digest, Vol 47, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <619dd67c0812110946of0bdd4g1c97d627d27c1e3a@mail.gmail.com> Joel from wcc was messing with that recently On 12/11/08, corvanatics-request at corvair.org wrote: > Send Corvanatics mailing list submissions to > corvanatics at corvair.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > corvanatics-request at corvair.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > corvanatics-owner at corvair.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Corvanatics digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rampside Bulbs Information (N2VZD at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:01:47 EST > From: N2VZD at aol.com > Subject: Re: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information > To: corvanatics at corvair.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > i miss spoke about LED voltage , they run on @2 volts not 5. duh a regular > led diode at 5 volts would become a flash diode. > anyhow i powered up a few on the bench last night, and they are bright > like > lasers (much brighter than the led replacement bulbs i have!) at 2 volts , > and dont draw enough current to show on my bench supply. (i have > pictures!) > now to fit a few in the rampy housings.. > regards, tim colson > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > End of Corvanatics Digest, Vol 47, Issue 4 > ****************************************** > -- Sent from my mobile device From westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca Thu Dec 11 13:39:57 2008 From: westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca (Western Canada CORSA) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:39:57 -0800 Subject: [FC] Corvanatics Digest, Vol 47, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <619dd67c0812110946of0bdd4g1c97d627d27c1e3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7613A700C476485C92EB53D371FE1734@MAINCOMPUTER> I'm STILL messing with it, other projects are just higher up the priority list (3.1L big bore and the hydraulic tonneau to be specific) The difference is that I'm doing an LED array with multiple lights and not just a couple of bulbs. We've found the perfect lens to mould for the "Deluxe" bucket array, so I'll have running/brake/signal and backup lights both in the stock location and the where the reflectors would go in the tailgate. Regards, Joel -----Original Message----- From: corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Al Kidd Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:46 AM To: corvanatics at corvair.org Subject: Re: [FC] Corvanatics Digest, Vol 47, Issue 4 Joel from wcc was messing with that recently On 12/11/08, corvanatics-request at corvair.org wrote: > Send Corvanatics mailing list submissions to > corvanatics at corvair.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > corvanatics-request at corvair.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > corvanatics-owner at corvair.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Corvanatics digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rampside Bulbs Information (N2VZD at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:01:47 EST > From: N2VZD at aol.com > Subject: Re: [FC] Rampside Bulbs Information > To: corvanatics at corvair.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > i miss spoke about LED voltage , they run on @2 volts not 5. duh a > regular led diode at 5 volts would become a flash diode. anyhow i > powered up a few on the bench last night, and they are bright like > lasers (much brighter than the led replacement bulbs i have!) at 2 volts , > and dont draw enough current to show on my bench supply. (i have > pictures!) > now to fit a few in the rampy housings.. > regards, tim colson > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > End of Corvanatics Digest, Vol 47, Issue 4 > ****************************************** > -- Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ Corvanatics mailing list Corvanatics at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From hmlinc at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 13:37:35 2008 From: hmlinc at sbcglobal.net (J R Read_HML) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:37:35 -0600 Subject: [FC] Argh!... Re: Corvanatics Digest, Vol 47, Issue 4 References: <7613A700C476485C92EB53D371FE1734@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: PLEASE change the subject to the real topic when replying from digest mode. Thanks Later, JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Western Canada CORSA" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [FC] Corvanatics Digest, Vol 47, Issue 4 From woofcorvair at aol.com Thu Dec 11 17:10:59 2008 From: woofcorvair at aol.com (woofcorvair at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:10:59 EST Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs? Message-ID: Hello: Yesterday, I spent a few hours at various automotive parts stores, attempting to find the correct size, wattage and voltage of the bulbs that will fit both the tail light and license plate areas of my '62 Rampside. When I returned to try to install them when I got home, they would NOT fit. I have appreciated all of the responses that I have received from members/owners of the FC models of Corvair. It turned out to be, quite a debate, or mechanic argument on which bulbs will work properly. Some inform me that the LED's and so-called upgrades will run too "hot" and may burn the lenses. Others have informed me to stay with the original stock bulbs. All I know, right now, is that the current bulbs and lenses are NOT bright enough. I have even had a highway patrolman recommend that I make a change in the tail lights. Some of the FC owners have recommended that I actually "polish" the lenses. I was wondering what type of polishing material was used? So, interested owners, I am still "open" for more suggestions, especially before I get a "ticket" from our local highway or sheriff officers. Darrell in SW Missouri **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From N2VZD at aol.com Thu Dec 11 21:28:03 2008 From: N2VZD at aol.com (N2VZD at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:28:03 EST Subject: [FC] Rampside Light brightness /visability issues? Message-ID: i can not believe the replacement led bulbs wont fit your sockets , plus the led units DO run cooler and draw less current (may require a new variable load flasher) than stock bulbs. now 2057 or 3057 bulbs (they are NOT led's) are a touch brighter and more durable filament construction , so may run slightly warmer , but they dont melt fc lenses..i have done this . also try brightening up the socket area behind the lit part of the lens with white or silver. polishing / grinding lenses to a thinner cross section was a dream i have not tried yet. i would double check your sockets . the contact pins get set up in the sockets requiring tinker time to free up or need rebuilding with new insert parts available at flaps. take the socket right off to do this , it is not that hard to do. when you get done pack the socket with Vaseline or similar stuff to keep them free. the pins have to move to work. check by pulling on the wires and feel them move a little in the socket. this is obviously a condensed explanation.. regards, tim colson **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From vairmech at aol.com Thu Dec 11 21:29:01 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:29:01 -0500 Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB2A188731F396-D9C-C95@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> ?????? I have to say that you cannot get a ticket for having an old car. What about the old cars that only had one tail light? Are they going to ticket them? They can't. If your lights are working properly as they were manufactured, there is nothing any police can do about it. Granted I do believe it is a bit of a safety issue but that is not the point here that was raised. ??? Now, if you want the correct stock bulb part numbers and/or some alternatives for brighter bulbs, I will see what I can do. I work full time so it won't be yesterday that I can get the info. Also the quickest thing you can do is check your system voltage. If it is less than 13V then adjust your regulator to get the max allowed per the books. That alone will brighten your bulbs by at least 10% with no other change. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com -----Original Message----- From: woofcorvair at aol.com To: corvanatics at corvair.org Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 5:10 pm Subject: [FC] Rampside Bulbs? Hello: Yesterday, I spent a few hours at various automotive parts stores, attempting to find the correct size, wattage and voltage of the bulbs that will fit both the tail light and license plate areas of my '62 Rampside. When I returned to try to install them when I got home, they would NOT fit. I have appreciated all of the responses that I have received from members/owners of the FC models of Corvair. It turned out to be, quite a debate, or mechanic argument on which bulbs will work properly. Some inform me that the LED's and so-called upgrades will run too "hot" and may burn the lenses. Others have informed me to stay with the original stock bulbs. All I know, right now, is that the current bulbs and lenses are NOT bright enough. I have even had a highway patrolman recommend that I make a change in the tail lights. Some of the FC owners have recommended that I actually "polish" the lenses. I was wondering what type of polishing material was used? So, interested owners, I am still "open" for more suggestions, especially before I get a "ticket" from our local highway or sheriff officers. Darrell in SW Missouri **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) _______________________________________________ Corvanatics mailing list Corvanatics at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From vairvert67 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 00:34:03 2008 From: vairvert67 at yahoo.com (Mike Moyer) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:34:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [FC] Looking for a powerglide dash shift lever for an FC Message-ID: <728229.90969.qm@web36101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looking for a dash shifter lever for an FC If you have one you are willing to part with please contact me off list. have everything else I need to convert to pg except the shift lever mechanism ?Mike Moyer CorvanAntics Editor 1963 Corvair 95 84hp Powerglide 18K miles 1965 Greenbrier 110hp 4 Spd 1965 Monza Convertible 140hp 4spd 3:55 Posi AM/FM From lechevrier at earthlink.net Fri Dec 12 18:02:33 2008 From: lechevrier at earthlink.net (Chris & Bill Strickland) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:02:33 -0800 Subject: [FC] Tail lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4942ED89.6030905@earthlink.net> oem FC taillight bulbs were #1034 -- 1034 were generally replaced by 1157, both in the field and and the marketplace -- I would be highly surprised to find an operable FC with 1034's -- the stops just weren't bright enough, even back when FCC's were new. My 356 also has similar issues, but there I have the disadvantage of not wanting to update the oem 6 volt electrics, and yes, there are LED options available and being explored. I did find that a good cleaning of the reflector and some "chrome" spray paint greatly improved the situation -- at least you can tell when they are on. My previous FC was a van, and the sheer bulk and a chrome bumper helped rear visibility, but not like decent rear lights. Those old red lenses do seem much more opaque than what's on modern cars (and I'm not sure that some of that isn't due to aging factors), but in 1961, average hiway speeds weren't 85 mph, either. I know most of the issues with the oem tail gate reflectors and lack of their availability, but it wouldn't seem to far fetched to make a latex mold of the tail light lens and cast up some new lenses in a more modern material. Combined with some shinied up reflectors (note: they are called "reflectors" for a reason) should provide improved tail light function, even if the oem design isn't large enough. Seems like I've seen a ricer website with info for casting your own clear lenses so folks so inclined could have the "look". Google could be your friend here. Relays, like you would do for full voltage to the headlights, would help reduce the voltage drop you get in going to the front of the van to the switch and then back to the rear. Bill Strickland From judgehouston at yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 15:11:09 2008 From: judgehouston at yahoo.com (David Houston) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:11:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [FC] FC heat improvements Message-ID: <894608.59286.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Greenbrier's Fiberglass transfer box had been broken off at the crossmember somehow. The prior owner used about three rolls of 'Gorilla' duct tape to fabricate a poor replacement/connection? to the metal fan housing. Apparently, it worked for two winters in Cambridge/Boston.? I removed a complete fiberglass t-box out of a junked FC but didn't install it but used it as a template to rebuild mine out of fiberglass,bondo, &pvc gutter joints. It came out better than expected. I replaced the old fan motor with a more powerful and longer one, which fit w/o a problem. Getting a good ground was tricky. I replaced the duct taped defroster conduits with brand new ones. I also blocked the rear vent and carefully cut styrofoam pieces to channel the blower into the forward vent.? I then placed pieces of 'U' shaped styrofoam over the length of the exposed heating vent to protect the moving hot air against wind chill.? Lastly, I placed a drape and? a fitted 2 " thick styrofoam behind the driver's seat.? The end result is an excellent, fast defroster and the heat is better contained.? I am thinking of installing a larger battery. I have a '63 car motor with a newer alternator.? My current battery is new , but small by Maine winter standards.? Again I'm looking for a 14" , 5 lug rim to put my spare on. I have studded snows and am thinking of chains. Any advice? From dmonasterio at megared.net.mx Sat Dec 13 16:09:32 2008 From: dmonasterio at megared.net.mx (Daniel Monasterio) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:09:32 -0600 Subject: [FC] 64 GB steering wheel and transverse spring leaf Message-ID: <000a01c95d67$187f4b60$6500a8c0@cueva> My 64 GB's (still on group red) steering wheel has several crakcs but, instead of repairing I think it is the same (deep dish) as used on some cars and could be easier to look for a god car's one. Am I right ?... if so, which years will fit ? Having the OEM 64 style diff. case, lead to think if somebody has added the transverse leaf spring used on cars and, if so, which are the mods to make on the spiral springs ? and if it performs on better handling ? Thanks in advance Daniel Monasterio From bryan at skiblack.com Sat Dec 13 17:46:13 2008 From: bryan at skiblack.com (Bryan Blackwell) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:46:13 -0500 Subject: [FC] 64 GB steering wheel and transverse spring leaf In-Reply-To: <000a01c95d67$187f4b60$6500a8c0@cueva> References: <000a01c95d67$187f4b60$6500a8c0@cueva> Message-ID: <8C9DD631-FD70-4DA2-A4EB-DBF374B7E743@skiblack.com> Hi Daniel, You must have a Deluxe model. Ours is the same, I've been told the wheel is the same as a '63 Deluxe car wheel. Probably a couple other years will interchange as well, the main thing to remember is that FCs use the standard Chevy spline, not the special Corvair '64 - '66 spline. --Bryan On Dec 13, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Daniel Monasterio wrote: > My 64 GB's (still on group red) steering wheel has several > crakcs but, instead of repairing I think it is the same (deep dish) > as used on some cars and could be easier to look for a god car's > one. Am I right ?... if so, which years will fit ? From lechevrier at earthlink.net Sat Dec 13 19:29:31 2008 From: lechevrier at earthlink.net (Chris & Bill Strickland) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:29:31 -0800 Subject: [FC] Tail lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4944536B.7010004@earthlink.net> If one winds up with some clear tail light lenses they wish were red, find some Krylon Stained Glass paint part # 6020, a transparent red, that works well on plastic and glass. For outdoor/indoor use, it drys to the touch in less then 30 mins. Meaning you could probably fab some new lenses up out of clear Lexan sheet, and paint them, or get sheet material in whatever color you'd like, but since the oem lenses are flat to start with, I'd think this wouldn't be an improbable task. fwiw, Bill Strickland From lechevrier at earthlink.net Sun Dec 14 13:09:35 2008 From: lechevrier at earthlink.net (Chris & Bill Strickland) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:09:35 -0800 Subject: [FC] FC heat improvements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49454BDF.6000903@earthlink.net> Sounds like you've made sure the heat works, David -- have you blocked the front cold air grille / vent, ie, the grille on the front of the 'Brier -- later model FC's have a special flap arangement as oem to do the job -- I am told this is a very important improvement for you "cold weather" types. A heavy plastic bag screwed down under the grill will work. The '64 leaf was used with some very light duty coil springs -- probably a questionable use on an FC. Having a '64 diffy is a poor excuse for installing the transverse spring on an FC. mo. Until your find what you want, have you checked the market (used tire shops, wrecking yards ...) for a new style mini-spare that will bolt on (remember the FC's are a standard (older) GM lug pattern, and the narrow spares would fit under the rear wheel wells -- probably not many of these in 14 inch. Don't know what you have for a battery, but note that a Group 51, in spite of the small size, still has over twice the cold cranking amps of an oem style battery. Other battery options don't generally fit in the oem location, but yeah, I'm all for the biggest electrical capacity battery you can install / afford -- have you checked out the Hawker Energy 12v automotive dry cell types? Super high capacity, reduced size, expensive, heavy, and they work great! http://www.odysseyfactory.com/batteries.html Happy Holidays! Bill Strickland From lechevrier at earthlink.net Sun Dec 14 13:11:14 2008 From: lechevrier at earthlink.net (Chris & Bill Strickland) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:11:14 -0800 Subject: [FC] mixed up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49454C42.8080702@earthlink.net> Guess that previous replay covered more than one post / Subject -- sorry ... Bill From RoboMan91324 at aol.com Sun Dec 14 13:12:48 2008 From: RoboMan91324 at aol.com (RoboMan91324 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:12:48 EST Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Leaf Spring Message-ID: Daniel, The FC is wider than the cars so the transverse leaf spring from a car will not work. Way back when, an FC transverse spring was offered but is very rare these days. I have seen only one ..... the one I inherited in a parts deal. :-) As far as whether or not the coil springs were modified, I don't know. Frankly, I am not aware of why the oddball springs were needed in '64. Can anyone tell me why the car coils were changed and if modified coils will be needed on my '65 Greenbrier when I put my transverse spring on it? Also, if mods are needed, what are they? I will post this to VV too. Doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 12/14/2008 9:00:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, corvanatics-request at corvair.org writes: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:09:32 -0600 From: "Daniel Monasterio" Subject: [FC] 64 GB steering wheel and transverse spring leaf To: Message-ID: <000a01c95d67$187f4b60$6500a8c0 at cueva> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My 64 GB's (still on group red) steering wheel has several crakcs but, instead of repairing I think it is the same (deep dish) as used on some cars and could be easier to look for a god car's one. Am I right ?... if so, which years will fit ? Having the OEM 64 style diff. case, lead to think if somebody has added the transverse leaf spring used on cars and, if so, which are the mods to make on the spiral springs ? and if it performs on better handling ? Thanks in advance Daniel Monasterio **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From RoboMan91324 at aol.com Sun Dec 14 13:19:52 2008 From: RoboMan91324 at aol.com (RoboMan91324 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:19:52 EST Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring Message-ID: Oops, I forgot to mention that it was an aftermarket manufacturer offering the FC transverse spring. Doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Daniel, The FC is wider than the cars so the transverse leaf spring from a car will not work. Way back when, an FC transverse spring was offered but is very rare these days. I have seen only one ..... the one I inherited in a parts deal. :-) As far as whether or not the coil springs were modified, I don't know. Frankly, I am not aware of why the oddball springs were needed in '64. Can anyone tell me why the car coils were changed and if modified coils will be needed on my '65 Greenbrier when I put my transverse spring on it? Also, if mods are needed, what are they? I will post this to VV too. Doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 12/14/2008 9:00:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, corvanatics-request at corvair.org writes: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:09:32 -0600 From: "Daniel Monasterio" <_monasterio at megared.net.mx_ (mailto:monasterio at megared.net.mx) > Subject: [FC] 64 GB steering wheel and transverse spring leaf To: Message-ID: <000a01c95d67$187f4b60$6500a8c0 at cueva> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My 64 GB's (still on group red) steering wheel has several crakcs but, instead of repairing I think it is the same (deep dish) as used on some cars and could be easier to look for a god car's one. Am I right ?... if so, which years will fit ? Having the OEM 64 style diff. case, lead to think if somebody has added the transverse leaf spring used on cars and, if so, which are the mods to make on the spiral springs ? and if it performs on better handling ? Thanks in advance Daniel _Monasterio_ (mailto:Monasterio at cueva) **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From ultravan345 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 15:47:20 2008 From: ultravan345 at yahoo.com (Eric Kirven) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:47:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [FC] FC heat improvements In-Reply-To: <49454BDF.6000903@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <557407.37360.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Speaking of that front vent. . . Does anyone know who may have a rubber seal (profile) that fits there? Mine just fell apart. If the correct profile isn't available, what is being used in its place? With regards to the "Spare" do not forget that the off set is different than the standard GM wheel. The lug pattern is the same. The wheel will work on the rear, not the front. Regards, Eric --- On Sun, 12/14/08, Chris & Bill Strickland wrote: > From: Chris & Bill Strickland > Subject: Re: [FC] FC heat improvements > To: corvanatics at corvair.org > Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 10:09 AM > Sounds like you've made sure the heat works, David -- > have you blocked > the front cold air grille / vent, ie, the grille on the > front of the > 'Brier -- later model FC's have a special flap > arangement as oem to do > the job -- I am told this is a very important improvement > for you "cold > weather" types. A heavy plastic bag screwed down > under the grill will work. > > The '64 leaf was used with some very light duty coil > springs -- probably > a questionable use on an FC. Having a '64 diffy is a > poor excuse for > installing the transverse spring on an FC. mo. > > Until your find what you want, have you checked the market > (used tire > shops, wrecking yards ...) for a new style mini-spare that > will bolt on > (remember the FC's are a standard (older) GM lug > pattern, and the narrow > spares would fit under the rear wheel wells -- probably not > many of > these in 14 inch. > > Don't know what you have for a battery, but note that a > Group 51, in > spite of the small size, still has over twice the cold > cranking amps of > an oem style battery. Other battery options don't > generally fit in the > oem location, but yeah, I'm all for the biggest > electrical capacity > battery you can install / afford -- have you checked out > the Hawker > Energy 12v automotive dry cell types? Super high capacity, > reduced > size, expensive, heavy, and they work great! > http://www.odysseyfactory.com/batteries.html > > Happy Holidays! > > Bill Strickland > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ From hmlinc at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 14 15:45:37 2008 From: hmlinc at sbcglobal.net (J R Read_HML) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:45:37 -0600 Subject: [FC] FC heat improvements References: <557407.37360.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you have a front flat and the "wrong" wheel - just move a rear wheel to the front and put the spare at the rear. Later, JR CCE CORSA CORVANANTICS SCG member '61 Rampside Standard 4/110 '65 Monza Convertible 4/140 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Kirven" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FC] FC heat improvements > Speaking of that front vent. . . Does anyone know who may have a rubber > seal (profile) that fits there? Mine just fell apart. If the correct > profile isn't available, what is being used in its place? > > With regards to the "Spare" do not forget that the off set is different > than the standard GM wheel. The lug pattern is the same. The wheel will > work on the rear, not the front. > > Regards, > Eric > > > --- On Sun, 12/14/08, Chris & Bill Strickland > wrote: > >> From: Chris & Bill Strickland >> Subject: Re: [FC] FC heat improvements >> To: corvanatics at corvair.org >> Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 10:09 AM >> Sounds like you've made sure the heat works, David -- >> have you blocked >> the front cold air grille / vent, ie, the grille on the >> front of the >> 'Brier -- later model FC's have a special flap >> arangement as oem to do >> the job -- I am told this is a very important improvement >> for you "cold >> weather" types. A heavy plastic bag screwed down >> under the grill will work. >> >> The '64 leaf was used with some very light duty coil >> springs -- probably >> a questionable use on an FC. Having a '64 diffy is a >> poor excuse for >> installing the transverse spring on an FC. mo. >> >> Until your find what you want, have you checked the market >> (used tire >> shops, wrecking yards ...) for a new style mini-spare that >> will bolt on >> (remember the FC's are a standard (older) GM lug >> pattern, and the narrow >> spares would fit under the rear wheel wells -- probably not >> many of >> these in 14 inch. >> >> Don't know what you have for a battery, but note that a >> Group 51, in >> spite of the small size, still has over twice the cold >> cranking amps of >> an oem style battery. Other battery options don't >> generally fit in the >> oem location, but yeah, I'm all for the biggest >> electrical capacity >> battery you can install / afford -- have you checked out >> the Hawker >> Energy 12v automotive dry cell types? Super high capacity, >> reduced >> size, expensive, heavy, and they work great! >> http://www.odysseyfactory.com/batteries.html >> >> Happy Holidays! >> >> Bill Strickland >> _______________________________________________ >> Corvanatics mailing list >> Corvanatics at corvair.org >> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics >> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, >> http://www.corvair.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ From ronh at owt.com Sun Dec 14 16:13:10 2008 From: ronh at owt.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:13:10 -0800 Subject: [FC] FC heat improvements References: <557407.37360.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <426F707718924FEEA6A847D319290202@YOUR76500D519C> I'm using Pontiac Snowflake wheels front and rear on my Rampside and they've been just fine for ten years now. RonH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Kirven" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FC] FC heat improvements > Speaking of that front vent. . . Does anyone know who may have a rubber > seal (profile) that fits there? Mine just fell apart. If the correct > profile isn't available, what is being used in its place? > > With regards to the "Spare" do not forget that the off set is different > than the standard GM wheel. The lug pattern is the same. The wheel will > work on the rear, not the front. > > Regards, > Eric > > > --- On Sun, 12/14/08, Chris & Bill Strickland > wrote: > >> From: Chris & Bill Strickland >> Subject: Re: [FC] FC heat improvements >> To: corvanatics at corvair.org >> Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 10:09 AM >> Sounds like you've made sure the heat works, David -- >> have you blocked >> the front cold air grille / vent, ie, the grille on the >> front of the >> 'Brier -- later model FC's have a special flap >> arangement as oem to do >> the job -- I am told this is a very important improvement >> for you "cold >> weather" types. A heavy plastic bag screwed down >> under the grill will work. >> >> The '64 leaf was used with some very light duty coil >> springs -- probably >> a questionable use on an FC. Having a '64 diffy is a >> poor excuse for >> installing the transverse spring on an FC. mo. >> >> Until your find what you want, have you checked the market >> (used tire >> shops, wrecking yards ...) for a new style mini-spare that >> will bolt on >> (remember the FC's are a standard (older) GM lug >> pattern, and the narrow >> spares would fit under the rear wheel wells -- probably not >> many of >> these in 14 inch. >> >> Don't know what you have for a battery, but note that a >> Group 51, in >> spite of the small size, still has over twice the cold >> cranking amps of >> an oem style battery. Other battery options don't >> generally fit in the >> oem location, but yeah, I'm all for the biggest >> electrical capacity >> battery you can install / afford -- have you checked out >> the Hawker >> Energy 12v automotive dry cell types? Super high capacity, >> reduced >> size, expensive, heavy, and they work great! >> http://www.odysseyfactory.com/batteries.html >> >> Happy Holidays! >> >> Bill Strickland >> _______________________________________________ >> Corvanatics mailing list >> Corvanatics at corvair.org >> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics >> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, >> http://www.corvair.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > From bensbus at verizon.net Sun Dec 14 16:15:12 2008 From: bensbus at verizon.net (Ben's Bus) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:15:12 -0500 Subject: [FC] FC heat improvements References: <557407.37360.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I did not have the front grille cover for winterizing on my '61 and '62. My solution was very simple and more accessible. I cut two pieces of rubber roofing material (just thick rubber...say 1/16" thick) to the shape of the INSIDE kick vent covers. I punched out holes in the positions of the original mounting screw holes. Next put the inside kick vent cover over the rubber gasket, tighten the screws and you're all set for cold weather! It works...and only takes a few minutes with some scissors and a screw driver as tools. I winterize the FCs around Nov. 1 each year, and take the rubber gaskets off after Memorial Day weekend. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Kirven" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [FC] FC heat improvements > Speaking of that front vent. . . Does anyone know who may have a rubber > seal (profile) that fits there? Mine just fell apart. If the correct > profile isn't available, what is being used in its place? > > With regards to the "Spare" do not forget that the off set is different > than the standard GM wheel. The lug pattern is the same. The wheel will > work on the rear, not the front. > > Regards, > Eric > > > --- On Sun, 12/14/08, Chris & Bill Strickland > wrote: > >> From: Chris & Bill Strickland >> Subject: Re: [FC] FC heat improvements >> To: corvanatics at corvair.org >> Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 10:09 AM >> Sounds like you've made sure the heat works, David -- >> have you blocked >> the front cold air grille / vent, ie, the grille on the >> front of the >> 'Brier -- later model FC's have a special flap >> arangement as oem to do >> the job -- I am told this is a very important improvement >> for you "cold >> weather" types. A heavy plastic bag screwed down >> under the grill will work. >> >> The '64 leaf was used with some very light duty coil >> springs -- probably >> a questionable use on an FC. Having a '64 diffy is a >> poor excuse for >> installing the transverse spring on an FC. mo. >> >> Until your find what you want, have you checked the market >> (used tire >> shops, wrecking yards ...) for a new style mini-spare that >> will bolt on >> (remember the FC's are a standard (older) GM lug >> pattern, and the narrow >> spares would fit under the rear wheel wells -- probably not >> many of >> these in 14 inch. >> >> Don't know what you have for a battery, but note that a >> Group 51, in >> spite of the small size, still has over twice the cold >> cranking amps of >> an oem style battery. Other battery options don't >> generally fit in the >> oem location, but yeah, I'm all for the biggest >> electrical capacity >> battery you can install / afford -- have you checked out >> the Hawker >> Energy 12v automotive dry cell types? Super high capacity, >> reduced >> size, expensive, heavy, and they work great! >> http://www.odysseyfactory.com/batteries.html >> >> Happy Holidays! >> >> Bill Strickland >> _______________________________________________ >> Corvanatics mailing list >> Corvanatics at corvair.org >> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics >> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, >> http://www.corvair.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > From westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca Sun Dec 14 22:06:54 2008 From: westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca (Western Canada CORSA) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:06:54 -0800 Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's a question that is somewhat related..... Were the '64 diff cases cast with the boss for the transverse leaf spring? And, did the '65 FC diff cases have the bosses for the LM lower control arms, or were they the same cases used up till 63, or 64 depending on the answer to my first question. Regards, Joel -----Original Message----- From: corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of RoboMan91324 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:20 AM To: corvanatics at corvair.org; dmonasterio at megared.net.mx Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring Oops, I forgot to mention that it was an aftermarket manufacturer offering the FC transverse spring. Doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Daniel, The FC is wider than the cars so the transverse leaf spring from a car will not work. Way back when, an FC transverse spring was offered but is very rare these days. I have seen only one ..... the one I inherited in a parts deal. :-) As far as whether or not the coil springs were modified, I don't know. Frankly, I am not aware of why the oddball springs were needed in '64. Can anyone tell me why the car coils were changed and if modified coils will be needed on my '65 Greenbrier when I put my transverse spring on it? Also, if mods are needed, what are they? I will post this to VV too. Doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 12/14/2008 9:00:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, corvanatics-request at corvair.org writes: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:09:32 -0600 From: "Daniel Monasterio" <_monasterio at megared.net.mx_ (mailto:monasterio at megared.net.mx) > Subject: [FC] 64 GB steering wheel and transverse spring leaf To: Message-ID: <000a01c95d67$187f4b60$6500a8c0 at cueva> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My 64 GB's (still on group red) steering wheel has several crakcs but, instead of repairing I think it is the same (deep dish) as used on some cars and could be easier to look for a god car's one. Am I right ?... if so, which years will fit ? Having the OEM 64 style diff. case, lead to think if somebody has added the transverse leaf spring used on cars and, if so, which are the mods to make on the spiral springs ? and if it performs on better handling ? Thanks in advance Daniel _Monasterio_ (mailto:Monasterio at cueva) **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) _______________________________________________ Corvanatics mailing list Corvanatics at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From tkalp at cox.net Sun Dec 14 22:22:54 2008 From: tkalp at cox.net (tkalp at cox.net) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:22:54 -0500 Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081214222254.AWMJI.31455.imail@eastrmwml36> Joel, Not sure on the '64, but Larry Claypool told me that the last half of the '65 Greenbrier production used '65 style diffs with an EM style speedometer cable provision. I chased down the original transaxle for my December build '65 Greenbrier and sure enough, it had the '65 suspension mounts and the speedometer drive on the diff. Terry Kalp ---- Western Canada CORSA wrote: > Here's a question that is somewhat related..... > > Were the '64 diff cases cast with the boss for the transverse leaf spring? > > And, did the '65 FC diff cases have the bosses for the LM lower control > arms, or were they the same cases used up till 63, or 64 depending on the > answer to my first question. > > Regards, > Joel > > -----Original Message----- > From: corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org > [mailto:corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of RoboMan91324 at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:20 AM > To: corvanatics at corvair.org; dmonasterio at megared.net.mx > Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring > > > > Oops, I forgot to mention that it was an aftermarket manufacturer offering > the FC transverse spring. > > Doc > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Daniel, > > The FC is wider than the cars so the transverse leaf spring from a car will > > not work. Way back when, an FC transverse spring was offered but is very > rare these days. I have seen only one ..... the one I inherited in a parts > > deal. :-) > > As far as whether or not the coil springs were modified, I don't know. > Frankly, I am not aware of why the oddball springs were needed in '64. Can > > anyone tell me why the car coils were changed and if modified coils will be > needed > on my '65 Greenbrier when I put my transverse spring on it? Also, if mods > are needed, what are they? > > I will post this to VV too. > > Doc > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > In a message dated 12/14/2008 9:00:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > corvanatics-request at corvair.org writes: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:09:32 -0600 > From: "Daniel Monasterio" <_monasterio at megared.net.mx_ > (mailto:monasterio at megared.net.mx) > > Subject: [FC] 64 GB steering wheel and transverse spring leaf > To: > Message-ID: <000a01c95d67$187f4b60$6500a8c0 at cueva> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > My 64 GB's (still on group red) steering wheel has several crakcs but, > instead of repairing I think it is the same (deep dish) as used on some > cars and > could be easier to look for a god car's one. Am I right ?... if so, which > years will fit ? > Having the OEM 64 style diff. case, lead to think if somebody has added the > > transverse leaf spring used on cars and, if so, which are the mods to make > on > the spiral springs ? and if it performs on better handling ? > > Thanks in advance > > Daniel _Monasterio_ (mailto:Monasterio at cueva) > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From noahsarkinc at earthlink.net Sun Dec 14 22:25:07 2008 From: noahsarkinc at earthlink.net (Paul Steinberg) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:25:07 -0500 Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring References: Message-ID: <48B7FC1ACC4147D0A2F4AC6F48FFD8CD@paul> the '64 & 65 both had the casting at the bottom to take a leaf spring. Paul in CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Western Canada CORSA" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [FC] FC Transverse Spring > Here's a question that is somewhat related..... > > Were the '64 diff cases cast with the boss for the transverse leaf spring? > > And, did the '65 FC diff cases have the bosses for the LM lower control > arms, or were they the same cases used up till 63, or 64 depending on the > answer to my first question. > > Regards, > Joel > > -----Original Message----- > From: corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org > [mailto:corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of RoboMan91324 at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:20 AM > To: corvanatics at corvair.org; dmonasterio at megared.net.mx > Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring > > > > Oops, I forgot to mention that it was an aftermarket manufacturer > offering > the FC transverse spring. > > Doc > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Daniel, > > The FC is wider than the cars so the transverse leaf spring from a car > will > > not work. Way back when, an FC transverse spring was offered but is very > rare these days. I have seen only one ..... the one I inherited in a > parts > > deal. :-) > > As far as whether or not the coil springs were modified, I don't know. > Frankly, I am not aware of why the oddball springs were needed in '64. > Can > > anyone tell me why the car coils were changed and if modified coils will > be > needed > on my '65 Greenbrier when I put my transverse spring on it? Also, if > mods > are needed, what are they? > > I will post this to VV too. > > Doc > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > In a message dated 12/14/2008 9:00:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > corvanatics-request at corvair.org writes: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:09:32 -0600 > From: "Daniel Monasterio" <_monasterio at megared.net.mx_ > (mailto:monasterio at megared.net.mx) > > Subject: [FC] 64 GB steering wheel and transverse spring leaf > To: > Message-ID: <000a01c95d67$187f4b60$6500a8c0 at cueva> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > My 64 GB's (still on group red) steering wheel has several crakcs but, > instead of repairing I think it is the same (deep dish) as used on some > cars and > could be easier to look for a god car's one. Am I right ?... if so, which > years will fit ? > Having the OEM 64 style diff. case, lead to think if somebody has added > the > > transverse leaf spring used on cars and, if so, which are the mods to > make > on > the spiral springs ? and if it performs on better handling ? > > Thanks in advance > > Daniel _Monasterio_ (mailto:Monasterio at cueva) > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: 12/13/2008 4:56 PM From LonzoVair at aol.com Sun Dec 14 23:59:23 2008 From: LonzoVair at aol.com (LonzoVair at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:59:23 EST Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring Message-ID: Joel & Terry, My '65 'brier, #704, has the 65 car style diff with the EM style speedometer cable thingy. I know it was original to the van because I had the warranty booklet with the engine, diff & tranny numbers in it..... I've had a few 64 'briers, and they also had the 64 car style diff with the built in spots for the leaf spring. I've not run into any other 65 'briers, but maybe a survey of the members from Kent's 65 FC registry might shed some light... Also, my 61 'brier has a complete '69 car powertrain... 110 smogger engine (smog stuff removed, but still has the domed heads and pistons), and car diff/tranny.... and no, the speedometer has never worked. :-) I didn't do the transplant, it was like that when I got the van from a friend of mine. Later, Lonzo In a message dated 12/14/2008 10:23:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tkalp at cox.net writes: Joel, Not sure on the '64, but Larry Claypool told me that the last half of the '65 Greenbrier production used '65 style diffs with an EM style speedometer cable provision. I chased down the original transaxle for my December build '65 Greenbrier and sure enough, it had the '65 suspension mounts and the speedometer drive on the diff. Terry Kalp ---- Western Canada CORSA wrote: > Here's a question that is somewhat related..... > > Were the '64 diff cases cast with the boss for the transverse leaf spring? > > And, did the '65 FC diff cases have the bosses for the LM lower control > arms, or were they the same cases used up till 63, or 64 depending on the > answer to my first question. > > Regards, > Joel > > -----Original Message----- > From: corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org > [mailto:corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of RoboMan91324 at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:20 AM > To: corvanatics at corvair.org; dmonasterio at megared.net.mx > Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring > > > > Oops, I forgot to mention that it was an aftermarket manufacturer offering > the FC transverse spring. > > Doc > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Daniel, > > The FC is wider than the cars so the transverse leaf spring from a car will > > not work. Way back when, an FC transverse spring was offered but is very > rare these days. I have seen only one ..... the one I inherited in a parts > > deal. :-) > > As far as whether or not the coil springs were modified, I don't know. > Frankly, I am not aware of why the oddball springs were needed in '64. Can > > anyone tell me why the car coils were changed and if modified coils will be > needed > on my '65 Greenbrier when I put my transverse spring on it? Also, if mods > are needed, what are they? > > I will post this to VV too. > > Doc > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > In a message dated 12/14/2008 9:00:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > corvanatics-request at corvair.org writes: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:09:32 -0600 > From: "Daniel Monasterio" <_monasterio at megared.net.mx_ > (mailto:monasterio at megared.net.mx) > > Subject: [FC] 64 GB steering wheel and transverse spring leaf > To: > Message-ID: <000a01c95d67$187f4b60$6500a8c0 at cueva> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > My 64 GB's (still on group red) steering wheel has several crakcs but, > instead of repairing I think it is the same (deep dish) as used on some > cars and > could be easier to look for a god car's one. Am I right ?... if so, which > years will fit ? > Having the OEM 64 style diff. case, lead to think if somebody has added the > > transverse leaf spring used on cars and, if so, which are the mods to make > on > the spiral springs ? and if it performs on better handling ? > > Thanks in advance > > Daniel _Monasterio_ (mailto:Monasterio at cueva) > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ _______________________________________________ Corvanatics mailing list Corvanatics at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From RoboMan91324 at aol.com Mon Dec 15 00:50:34 2008 From: RoboMan91324 at aol.com (RoboMan91324 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:50:34 EST Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring Message-ID: Hello Lonny, Thanks for the reply. I wasn't specific enough with my posting. Yes, I agree that the transverse spring took up some of the car's load but the right and left springs were different from each other on the '64s but not earlier cars with no transverse springs. Why the difference from right to left was my real question. The follow on question would be .... Do I need to modify the right vs. left springs on my FC if I add the after market transverse spring or was it designed to eliminate this need? Doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 12/14/2008 12:18:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lclarkpdx at gmail.com writes: I'm pretty sure that the rear coil springs were changed in '64 because the transverse leaf carried part of the load. I don't know what mods would be needed to add a transverse spring to an FC suspension - when it's done on a car they generally change everything over to the '64 including the transaxle. Lonny **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From vairmech at aol.com Mon Dec 15 09:36:33 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:36:33 -0500 Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB2CD9A9100326-12C-36@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com> ???? The 64 leaf spring took about 40% of the weight of the car, therefore the coil springs had less capacity to compensate for the leaf. If you just add the leaf spring to what you have in the FC, you will more than likely have a very ill handling FC with the wheels already tucked in. As to how far to modify your existing springs to work with that? It is going to be trial and error on your part as I don't think there is any info on that situation. ??? As far as the different rear springs side to side on a 64 I think they were trying to compensate for the offset of the engine and trying to make the car set level. ????? I have to ask, why are you trying to put the leaf spring under an FC? The ADDCO sway bar will do more for you that the leaf ever though of. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com -----Original Message----- From: RoboMan91324 at aol.com To: lclarkpdx at gmail.com; corvanatics at corvair.org; virtualvairs at corvair.org Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50 am Subject: Re: [FC] FC Transverse Spring Hello Lonny, Thanks for the reply. I wasn't specific enough with my posting. Yes, I agree that the transverse spring took up some of the car's load but the right and left springs were different from each other on the '64s but not earlier cars with no transverse springs. Why the difference from right to left was my real question. The follow on question would be .... Do I need to modify the right vs. left springs on my FC if I add the after market transverse spring or was it designed to eliminate this need? Doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 12/14/2008 12:18:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lclarkpdx at gmail.com writes: I'm pretty sure that the rear coil springs were changed in '64 because the transverse leaf carried part of the load. I don't know what mods would be needed to add a transverse spring to an FC suspension - when it's done on a car they generally change everything over to the '64 including the transaxle. Lonny **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) _______________________________________________ Corvanatics mailing list Corvanatics at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From vairmech at aol.com Mon Dec 15 09:40:37 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:40:37 -0500 Subject: [FC] POSTINGS Message-ID: <8CB2CDA3A8345D2-12C-7C@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com> ??? I want to remind those of you that are to lazy to remove the extra addresses out of the header to please remove the extra addresses. I know I don't enjoy getting 2-3 messages of the same posting. When you sent it to the list everyone gets the posting Including the person that had the original posting. When that persons name is left in the "TO" area they get 2 postings. ???? PLEASE SEND TO WHOM YOU INTEND TO SEND TO ONCE. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com From judgehouston at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 11:52:32 2008 From: judgehouston at yahoo.com (David Houston) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:52:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [FC] FC Heating Feedback & Old technology irks Maine liberales Message-ID: <797703.5361.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the feedback. I did block the front fresh air grille/vent by cutting a similar shaped 1" thick styrofoam and wrapping a foil/bubble pack material around it. I then attached this to the back of the grille with two plastic ties and screwed it back on. The 'chrome' material highlights the grille and is about 99% effective in blocking the cold air. Lastly, I cut a 42" x 15" piece of the 2" styrofoam and wrapped and old sleeping bag around it. This fit snuggly under the Dodge van, cloth bench seat, I replaced the old vinyl original. The end result is a front compartment that holds the heat? and defrosts quickly and effectively. I can't emphasize how important it is to cover the defroster conduit under the front floorboard, so the hot air isn't lost. I am totally sold on the air cooled power glide. Over the summer I removed and inspected it to see if anything might need replacement. It didn't. It appears to have been well maintained and probably rebuilt when the 1963 110 motor was installed. I have a 3.55, non-posi axle, which I checked as well. I was surprised to find out my van body is a 1961 and not a 1963. The prior owner died, but I contacted family members who forwarded paper work going back to 1961. Apparently, It had been in an accident in the mid-60's, junked,salvaged, and rebuilt with many structural & mechanical parts from 1963 vans.? When I pulled the rugs I could see the weld repairs. My FC camper has a road draft tube, but this other?one doesn't. The damp?cold winters cause these air cooled motors to create internal H2O condensation. I bypassed this problem by routing & extending?the pcv hose so it extends below the engine just to the left of the muffler.? The end result is the warm motor has clean exhaust from the muffler, but the heating hose tube streams constant steam like an old locomotive on the cold days. It drives the Maine liberales ( think Federales/Mexico) crazy seeing that vapor pour out. BTW my '61 or '63 FC has? an 80 mph speedometer with 1,2,3,4 markings. Wouldn't this indicate it was a standard originally? From bryan at skiblack.com Mon Dec 15 12:32:42 2008 From: bryan at skiblack.com (Bryan Blackwell) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:32:42 -0500 Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ADF30DE-9818-4CF8-937A-8F16275E972C@skiblack.com> Hi Doc, The aftermarket units generally weren't springs, they were camber compensators. The factory transverse spring is indeed a spring. The leaf spring allows for spring rate without any roll stiffness, effectively reducing the rear roll stiffness. A camber compensator - as sold by EMPI, for example - resists suspension droop by being bolted to the case and the suspension, but doesn't change the spring rate. --Bryan On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:50 AM, RoboMan91324 at aol.com wrote: > I wasn't specific enough with my posting. Yes, I agree that the > transverse > spring took up some of the car's load but the right and left > springs were > different from each other on the '64s but not earlier cars with no > transverse > springs. Why the difference from right to left was my real > question. The > follow on question would be .... Do I need to modify the right vs. > left springs > on my FC if I add the after market transverse spring or was it > designed to > eliminate this need? From RoboMan91324 at aol.com Mon Dec 15 12:39:02 2008 From: RoboMan91324 at aol.com (RoboMan91324 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:39:02 EST Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring Message-ID: Ken, Thanks for the info. I am not challenging you but your answer raises another question. If the side to side difference in rear springs on the '64 model cars was to compensate for engine offset, why were the springs on pre '64 models the same? Did they change the engine offset in the '64s? To answer your question, another list member wanted to know how to use a car transverse spring on an FC. I can't answer for him but it may be that he already had the '64 car springs and wanted to improve the FC's handling. As for myself, I already own an aftermarket transverse spring for an FC and would prefer to use it eventually rather than buy new equipment. Obviously, this would be the most attractive alternative if I do not need to modify coil springs etc. Since the subject of using a transverse spring on an FC came up, I had hoped that someone on the list would know the aftermarket FC spring well enough to advise me on coil springs etc. Doc 1960 Vette; 1961 Rampside; 1962 Rampside; 1964 Spyder coupe; 1965 Greenbrier; 1966 Corsa Turbo Coupe; 1967 Nova SS; 1968 Camaro ragtop ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 12/15/2008 9:01:04 AM Pacific Standard Ti> > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:36:33 -0500 > From: Ken Hand > Subject: Re: [FC] FC Transverse Spring > To: corvanatics at corvair.org, virtualvairs at corvair.org > Message-ID: <8CB2CD9A9100326-12C-36 at FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > ???? The 64 leaf spring took about 40% of the weight of the car, therefore > the coil springs had less capacity to compensate for the leaf. If you just add > the leaf spring to what you have in the FC, you will more than likely have a > very ill handling FC with the wheels already tucked in. As to how far to > modify your existing springs to work with that? It is going to be trial and > error on your part as I don't think there is any info on that situation. > ??? As far as the different rear springs side to side on a 64 I think they > were trying to compensate for the offset of the engine and trying to make the > car set level. > ????? I have to ask, why are you trying to put the leaf spring under an FC? > The ADDCO sway bar will do more for you that the leaf ever though of. > > > Ken Hand > 248-613-8586 > www.corvairmechanic.com ************** Make your life easier with all your > friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca Mon Dec 15 14:54:09 2008 From: westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca (Western Canada CORSA) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:54:09 -0800 Subject: [FC] LM Suspension in an FC was: RE: FC Transverse Spring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll take it one further. The reason I was asking about the difference in the FC diff cases yesterday is that we're exploring the idea of putting a LM rear suspension in an FC. Craig Nicol was kind enough to dig out his pics of one install he came across. Anybody know of any others? Regards, Joel From ronh at owt.com Mon Dec 15 14:37:10 2008 From: ronh at owt.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:37:10 -0800 Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring References: Message-ID: <08541304D67E437980DB31A981B2A75E@YOUR76500D519C> It'd be simpler to use heavy duty coils. RonH ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:28 AM Subject: Re: FC Transverse Spring > Has anyone actually modified a FC with the '64 style car suspension? I > have > been following the discussion about adding a transverse spring and > different > rear springs with interest. Chuck' s references to articles is very > helpful. Now that my Greenbrier has a posi it would be nice to make the > same > improvements to it that the '64 cars got. I already have the front and > rear bars > installed. Anyone successfully modified an FC with lower rate springs > and a > transverse leaf spring strong enough for an FC? If so, did it affect the > vehicle's ability to bring home the weight of all the swap meet "finds"? > > Bob Hall > Group Corvair > Washington DC suburbs > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are > the property > of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, > mailto:vv-help at corvair.org > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org > Change your options: > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs > _______________________________________________ > From woofcorvair at aol.com Mon Dec 15 16:48:11 2008 From: woofcorvair at aol.com (woofcorvair at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:48:11 EST Subject: [FC] Rampside Tail Lens Message-ID: Hello: For the past several days, I have attempted to clean and polish my rear tail light lenses on my 1962 Rampside without any success. Both lenses are cracked, faded, and in pretty poor condition. I have attempted to locate a pair of good to excellent conditioned lenses. Please help!! I understand that all models of the FC series of Corvairs (Rampsides, Loadsides, Vans, etc.) can use the same type of tail light lens. Thank you. Darrell in SW Missouri (_woofcorvair at aol.com_ (mailto:woofcorvair at aol.com) ) **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From chsadek at comcast.net Mon Dec 15 13:04:39 2008 From: chsadek at comcast.net (BBRT) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:04:39 -0500 Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring References: Message-ID: <00bc01c95edf$99a38c00$aecc3e47@DCN6FF61newbond> Doc, There are several web sites by spring makers/winders that give formulas for figuring out spring rates. My tech guide has disappeared so I can't reference any info there, but the P&A 30 may have information, along with your measured wire diameter and free coil length, you should be able to calculate what you have and make a good guesstimate as to what you might try. If you look in the VV archives, you will find a May 2008? email that gives all parameters of 1960 and 1064 car springs. From these along with your measurements and calculations, you may be able to draw your own conclusions about what you might want to do with an FC. Chuck S BBRT ----- Original Message ----- From: > Ken, > > Thanks for the info. > > I am not challenging you but your answer raises another question. If the > side to side difference in rear springs on the '64 model cars was to > compensate > for engine offset, why were the springs on pre '64 models the same? Did > they > change the engine offset in the '64s? > > To answer your question, another list member wanted to know how to use a > car > transverse spring on an FC. I can't answer for him but it may be that he > already had the '64 car springs and wanted to improve the FC's handling. > As for > myself, I already own an aftermarket transverse spring for an FC and would > prefer to use it eventually rather than buy new equipment. Obviously, > this would > be the most attractive alternative if I do not need to modify coil springs > etc. Since the subject of using a transverse spring on an FC came up, I > had > hoped that someone on the list would know the aftermarket FC spring well > enough to > advise me on coil springs etc. > > Doc >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > In a message dated 12/15/2008 9:01:04 AM Pacific Standard Ti> >> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:36:33 -0500 >> From: Ken Hand >> >> ???? The 64 leaf spring took about 40% of the weight of the car, >> therefore >> the coil springs had less capacity to compensate for the leaf. If you >> just add >> the leaf spring to what you have in the FC, you will more than likely >> have a >> very ill handling FC with the wheels already tucked in. As to how far to >> modify your existing springs to work with that? It is going to be trial >> and >> error on your part as I don't think there is any info on that situation. >> ??? As far as the different rear springs side to side on a 64 I think >> they >> were trying to compensate for the offset of the engine and trying to make >> the >> car set level. >> ????? I have to ask, why are you trying to put the leaf spring under an >> FC? >> The ADDCO sway bar will do more for you that the leaf ever though of. >> >> >> Ken Hand >> 248-613-8586 >> www.corvairmechanic.com From dfamily at fairpoint.net Mon Dec 15 14:03:55 2008 From: dfamily at fairpoint.net (Dennis Dorogi) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:03:55 -0500 Subject: [FC] Heating improvements Message-ID: <001f01c95ee7$e1440f00$0201a8c0@ruthaewjqhvksx> When I restored my 63 rampside I had the cab of a rusty 64 rampside available so I cut out the necessary sheetmetal sections from the air grille vent area (they are quite different in the 64) and welded them in the 63 along with the 64 cover and closing mechanism. It works perfectly but I have to remember to open it up in the summer. Concours judges never notice the change. (yet!) Dennis Dorogi From HallGrenn at aol.com Mon Dec 15 14:28:51 2008 From: HallGrenn at aol.com (HallGrenn at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:28:51 EST Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring Message-ID: Has anyone actually modified a FC with the '64 style car suspension? I have been following the discussion about adding a transverse spring and different rear springs with interest. Chuck' s references to articles is very helpful. Now that my Greenbrier has a posi it would be nice to make the same improvements to it that the '64 cars got. I already have the front and rear bars installed. Anyone successfully modified an FC with lower rate springs and a transverse leaf spring strong enough for an FC? If so, did it affect the vehicle's ability to bring home the weight of all the swap meet "finds"? Bob Hall Group Corvair Washington DC suburbs **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca Mon Dec 15 22:38:23 2008 From: westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca (Western Canada CORSA) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:38:23 -0800 Subject: [FC] FC springing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <64C934E1C61742819F62FEF36DB31DA2@MAINCOMPUTER> You are correct Seth. There were two aftermarket setups. I've seen both, and own one. The first one, I've only seen briefly, it was installed on the Rampside that my camper came out of in Yuma AZ. IIRC they were a multiple leaf setup that rested just above the "A" arm. Unfortuneatly the owner wouldn't sell the overloads and it was a looooong drive home to Victoria with all that weight. I managed to purchase the other design, it's a single large leaf with a "C" on the end that captures the "A" arm both above and below. Both designs utilize the two large threaded holes at the end of the mid frame rail that the factory was so kind to include when designing the FCs. Now, if we can actually tackle the LM rear set up in the FC with either airbags or hydraulics we'll be all set. Anyone have a '65 FC diff they'd like to sell? Regards, Joel -----Original Message----- From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Sethracer at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:04 PM To: virtualvairs at corvair.org Subject: FC springing In a message dated 12/15/2008 11:29:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, HallGrenn at aol.com writes: Anyone successfully modified an FC with lower rate springs and a transverse leaf spring strong enough for an FC? If so, did it affect the vehicle's ability to bring home the weight of all the swap meet "finds"? Bob Hall Group Corvair Wasn't there a heavy-duty suspension option that added a pair of leaf springs onto the rear of the FC? They only came into use after the coils had compressed enough to lower the swing arms to them. I haven't had an FC in a few years, but I remember hearing about the kit. It may have been an aftermarket kit, like from Helwig or someone. Seth Emerson C's the Day! - Corvair, Camaro, Corvette **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) _______________________________________________ This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the property of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:vv-help at corvair.org This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs _______________________________________________ From westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca Mon Dec 15 22:43:32 2008 From: westerncanadacorsa at shaw.ca (Western Canada CORSA) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:43:32 -0800 Subject: [FC] Heating improvements In-Reply-To: <001f01c95ee7$e1440f00$0201a8c0@ruthaewjqhvksx> Message-ID: <5029A7FFD9DA48D9A9F7707B97F50E58@MAINCOMPUTER> Oh NOW you tell me! I didn't realize there was a difference in the sheet metal. I was "upisland" (a 3 hour drive) two weeks ago looking for a '61 FC stump puller tranny, (struck out) but I did grab the air-door assembly out of the '64 'brier that was there. Are you telling me I've got to got back to get the sheet metal behind the air-door? ARRRGHGG Regards, Joel -----Original Message----- From: corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Dorogi Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:04 AM To: corvanatics at corvair.org Subject: [FC] Heating improvements When I restored my 63 rampside I had the cab of a rusty 64 rampside available so I cut out the necessary sheetmetal sections from the air grille vent area (they are quite different in the 64) and welded them in the 63 along with the 64 cover and closing mechanism. It works perfectly but I have to remember to open it up in the summer. Concours judges never notice the change. (yet!) Dennis Dorogi _______________________________________________ Corvanatics mailing list Corvanatics at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From cdoerge1 at verizon.net Tue Dec 16 01:11:20 2008 From: cdoerge1 at verizon.net (C F DOERGE JR) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:11:20 -0500 Subject: [FC] FC taillight lenses Message-ID: <0KBY0050BH6XG490@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> One thing you all should remember, especially if your vehicle has normal license plates (non-historic), is that the original lenses were reflective (as mandated by federal or state laws). Use of anything else could subject you to a ticket by the local gendarmes...... Don't ask me how I know this..... Charlie If one winds up with some clear tail light lenses they wish were red, find some Krylon Stained Glass paint part # 6020, a transparent red, that works well on plastic and glass. For outdoor/indoor use, it drys to the touch in less then 30 mins. Meaning you could probably fab some new lenses up out of clear Lexan sheet, and paint them, or get sheet material in whatever color you'd like, but since the oem lenses are flat to start with, I'd think this wouldn't be an improbable task. fwiw, Bill Strickland http://www.yenkostinger.com From hmlinc at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 16 01:24:19 2008 From: hmlinc at sbcglobal.net (J R Read_HML) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:24:19 -0600 Subject: [FC] FC taillight lenses References: <0KBY0050BH6XG490@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <82156DBE7AEB4EC3A61FD37763224F04@OFFICEDELL> OK... So the 20 something cop that pulled you over (trying to prove to his boss that he knows the law) has NO CLUE as to what was original and what was not original. You just need to sound convincing enough during THAT conversation about knowing that the original equipment (which you - of course - have on your vehicle) is legal. This is how you avoid that later conversation - under oath - in front of the judge. Later, JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "C F DOERGE JR" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [FC] FC taillight lenses > One thing you all should remember, especially if your vehicle has normal > license plates (non-historic), is that the original lenses were reflective > (as mandated by federal or state laws). Use of anything else could subject > you to a ticket by the local gendarmes...... Don't ask me how I know > this..... Charlie > > > > > > If one winds up with some clear tail light lenses they wish were red, > > find some Krylon Stained Glass paint part # 6020, a transparent red, > > that works well on plastic and glass. For outdoor/indoor use, it drys to > > the touch in less then 30 mins. > > Meaning you could probably fab some new lenses up out of clear Lexan > > sheet, and paint them, or get sheet material in whatever color you'd > > like, but since the oem lenses are flat to start with, I'd think this > > wouldn't be an improbable task. > > fwiw, > > Bill Strickland > > > http://www.yenkostinger.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ From lechevrier at earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 02:12:13 2008 From: lechevrier at earthlink.net (Chris & Bill Strickland) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:12:13 -0800 Subject: [FC] 1964 camber compensator Message-ID: <494754CD.6030705@earthlink.net> Since I have always had difficulty understanding the dynamics of the 1964 rear suspension and why the transverse spring works, I found this item while looking for something else ... A pretty good lay description of the "camber compensator", which was installed on the 1964 Corvair comes from Pat Tobin discussing the same item, which was factory equipment on some models of the 356 Porsche, on the 356 Registry's talk list: Remember that both the early Porsche and Beetle used transverse torsion bars instead of coil springs. "Others have correctly stated that the improvement in cornering came not so much from the [camber compensator] itself as from the softer rear torsion bars which softened the roll stiffness in the rear so that more of the cornering load was transferred to the outside front wheel. Since the car is tail heavy, that tended to even up the dynamic weight distribution between the outside tires. "But just softening the rear torsion bars would then mean that the tail would be too soft, hitting bottom all the time especially if there was a load in the rear seat. The spring [effect of the rear camber compensator] bar added spring stiffness in the vertical plane without adding to the roll stiffness." -- Pat Tobin, 356Talk Which brings to mind the question of whether or not the front coil springs in a '64 were notably different that the earlier cars - the rears were lighter and differed side to side. Crawford Rose posted the 64 spring specs back in Jan 2007 -- http://www.vv.corvair.org/pipermail/virtualvairs/2007-January/055973.html Bill Strickland From dfamily at fairpoint.net Tue Dec 16 08:12:44 2008 From: dfamily at fairpoint.net (Dennis Dorogi) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:12:44 -0500 Subject: [FC] Heating improvements References: <5029A7FFD9DA48D9A9F7707B97F50E58@MAINCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <000c01c95f7f$fc946a00$0201a8c0@ruthaewjqhvksx> The contours of the sheet metal that the air door assembly mounts to are definitely different. I've done it, I know. I can't remember how large the section is that is different (not too large but I can check if you want me to) but you definitely cannot put the assembly on a 63 or earlier without changing the sheet metal that it mounts to. I cut out the section from the 64 and mig welded it into the 63 rampside. I had so much welding to do on mine that it wasn't a big deal. Dennis Dorogi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Western Canada CORSA" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [FC] Heating improvements > Oh NOW you tell me! I didn't realize there was a difference in the sheet > metal. I was "upisland" (a 3 hour drive) two weeks ago looking for a '61 > FC > stump puller tranny, (struck out) but I did grab the air-door assembly out > of the '64 'brier that was there. > > Are you telling me I've got to got back to get the sheet metal behind the > air-door? > > ARRRGHGG > > Regards, > Joel > > -----Original Message----- > From: corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org > [mailto:corvanatics-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Dorogi > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:04 AM > To: corvanatics at corvair.org > Subject: [FC] Heating improvements > > > When I restored my 63 rampside I had the cab of a rusty 64 rampside > available so I cut out the necessary sheetmetal sections from the air > grille > vent area (they are quite different in the 64) and welded them in the 63 > along with the 64 cover and closing mechanism. It works perfectly but I > have to remember to open it up in the summer. Concours judges never > notice > the change. (yet!) > > Dennis Dorogi > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ From wern3 at juno.com Tue Dec 16 09:14:47 2008 From: wern3 at juno.com (wern3 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:14:47 GMT Subject: [FC] taillight lenses Message-ID: <20081216.161447.20993.4@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Darrell If you wish to polish plastic lenses get these items:; from a fabric store:...1/2 square yard of velvet or velveteen 1/2 sq. yard of 1" thick foam rubber padding from a hardware store: get one of those 5" rubber discs designed to hold sanding discs for your drill, 1 can of "Silvo" silver polish. Glue a 5" disc of the foam to the rubber sanding disc, then cover the foam with the velvet / or velveteen. Soak the fabric liberally with the "Silvo" Clamp the taillight lens in your vise securely using something to pad the jaws, (rags and duct tape are fine) cut the bottom out of a cardboard box and place it over the vise so contain the inevitable flying spray of Silvo place the pad onto the lens and start polishing making sure to keep the pad moving and keep the pad wet with the silvo. in 10 minutes you will get a nice, shiny surface. Tim '61 rampy (licensed!) ____________________________________________________________ Fly cheap! Click here for great airfare deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2i0ILoMk3PiUWbOo8VjAJihgtUpW7DhpACwwFlI2ztwgBnK/ From dkdewald at pasty.net Sun Dec 21 22:39:28 2008 From: dkdewald at pasty.net (Dale Dewald) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:39:28 -0500 Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20081216150700.0111fe90@mail.pasty.net> At 12:39 12/15/2008 -0500, RoboMan91324 at aol.com wrote: >I am not challenging you but your answer raises another question. If the >side to side difference in rear springs on the '64 model cars was to >compensate >for engine offset, why were the springs on pre '64 models the same? Did they >change the engine offset in the '64s? All of the 60-64 cars were slightly heavier on one side (the driver side I assume) because of engine offset, driver weight, etc--by maybe 100 lbs or so. Consider this: The EM Corvair weighs about 2400 lbs and has a 40/60% weight distribution F/R. That means the rear suspension supports about 1400 lbs. With the 60-63 design, each rear coil spring is supporting approximately 700 lbs. If we take 60% of the imbalance (the amount supported by the rear suspension) the left rear spring will be supporting 60 lbs more than the right rear. Therefore the difference in spring compression between the left side holding--say 730 lbs and the right holding 670 lbs--is less that 10% of the total load and apparently not large enough to be noticeable. Ken Hand states that the '64 traverse leaf spring supports about 40% of the rear suspension load, or about 600 lbs. In this case each rear coil spring would have to support only about 400 lbs. An 60 lb difference from side to side, 430 lbs left and 370 lbs right, is proportionally quite a bit of difference and apparently makes a very noticeable side to side difference in ride height; therefore the need for different rate springs. >To answer your question, another list member wanted to know how to use a car >transverse spring on an FC. I can't answer for him but it may be that he >already had the '64 car springs and wanted to improve the FC's handling. The track width of the FC is greater than the car (I think by 2 inches), therefore a car traverse spring will not fit. However, any decent spring shop should be able to make a custom leaf spring that is 2" longer. It would help to bring a car leaf spring along and say, "Make one just like this, except 2 inches longer." > As for >myself, I already own an aftermarket transverse spring for an FC and would >prefer to use it eventually rather than buy new equipment. Obviously, >this would >be the most attractive alternative if I do not need to modify coil springs >etc. Are you sure what you have is a traverse leaf spring and not a camber compensator? If you installed a transverse leaf spring with stock coils the rear ride height would be greatly increased, creating excessive positive camber and overall poorer handling. > Since the subject of using a transverse spring on an FC came up, I had >hoped that someone on the list would know the aftermarket FC spring well >enough to >advise me on coil springs etc. I do not think much information is available, other than how the '64 car was set up. This is how I would build a '64-style FC rear suspension: 1) Make sure my FC has a '64 style differential housing. 2) Obtain a set of 60-63 car rear springs. 3) Obtain the '64 traverse leaf spring mounting hardware. Modify the A-arms to accommodate. 4) Measure the empty rear ride height of my FC on level ground. 5) Add 500 lbs of weight (bags of cement, Sand-in-a-Tube, etc) to the vehicle directly over the rear axle. Measure ride height again to obtain the effective installed spring rate. 6) Remove FC springs and install car springs. Repeat steps #4 & 5 to calculate the spring rate for the car springs. 7) Use the difference in spring rates to determine the spring rate needed for a special FC transverse leaf spring. Take this information to a spring shop along with a car leaf spring so they have some idea of what is needed. (Remember that the FC spring will need to be 2" longer) Have them make a custom spring. 8) Install the custom spring but be prepared to have a second spring made up in case the first one does not quite meet expectations for ride height. 9) Make sure to install an ADCCO front anti-roll bar to compensate for the reduced roll stiffness of the transverse leaf '64 suspension design. Dale Dewald Hancock, MI From lechevrier at earthlink.net Mon Dec 22 12:30:59 2008 From: lechevrier at earthlink.net (Chris & Bill Strickland) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:30:59 -0800 Subject: [FC] FC Transverse Spring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494FCED3.20102@earthlink.net> >This is how I would build a '64-style FC rear suspension: >1) Make sure my FC has a '64 style differential housing. > > I will continue to say that the '64 diffy is not "required" to mount the transverse spring. It can be installed resting against the bottom to the case and it will center just fine between the two end points. Just build an aluminum spacer to cover the center pin (or remove it) >2) Obtain a set of 60-63 car rear springs. > > >3) Obtain the '64 traverse leaf spring mounting hardware. Modify the A-arms >to accommodate. >4) Measure the empty rear ride height of my FC on level ground. >5) Add 500 lbs of weight (bags of cement, Sand-in-a-Tube, etc) to the >vehicle directly over the rear axle. Measure ride height again to obtain >the effective installed spring rate. >6) Remove FC springs and install car springs. Repeat steps #4 & 5 to >calculate the spring rate for the car springs. >7) Use the difference in spring rates to determine the spring rate needed >for a special FC transverse leaf spring. Take this information to a spring >shop along with a car leaf spring so they have some idea of what is needed. >(Remember that the FC spring will need to be 2" longer) Have them make a >custom spring. >8) Install the custom spring but be prepared to have a second spring made >up in case the first one does not quite meet expectations for ride height. > Ride height can be adjusted by changing the length of the end mounting bolt -- nothing extreme -- or the distance between the differential and the transverse spring. It is just a load bearing spring, nothing really special. I have never seen a true "camber compensator" on a Corvair -- many items sold under that name that were just load bearing springs similar to oem. Same for VW and most Porsche (not Vic's bar - http://www.356registry.org/tech/camber_compensator.html) >9) Make sure to install an ADCCO front anti-roll bar to compensate for the >reduced roll stiffness of the transverse leaf '64 suspension design. > > The ADDCO bar, while nice and relativly economical is not the only roll bar option available, and unfortunatley is designed only for use with a stock suspension -- better than nothing, and something will be required ... mo, Bill Strickland From wern3 at juno.com Tue Dec 23 13:04:30 2008 From: wern3 at juno.com (wern3 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:04:30 GMT Subject: [FC] electrical gremlin Message-ID: <20081223.200430.5775.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> OK, I have a possibly self - inflicted electrical problem. After reassembly of my '61 Rampy I installed a battery and made the usual checks. I noted that all turn signals,headlights domelight, taillights,and heater fan and wipers all worked. Then I installed an additional instrument set obtained from our east coast Corvair parts vendor consisting of electrical volt guage an oil - pressure guage and oil temp guage. With them installed I now note that the headlights no longer come on, and the "right turn" green arrow on the dash stays illumintaed (with no signalling taking place) unless I signal "left turn", at which point the left side signal flashes and I can hera the flasher working. I do not see a fuse for the headlights in the fusebox. An Ideas on how to proceed to diagnose? Thanks Tim W '61 Rampy licensed and only needing a windshield from Santa. ____________________________________________________________ Click here to learn more about nursing jobs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bVNDfUYV2h1r8naTGGKt0ielfvVk4f9yMpZkLsMXH443Ak/ From hmlinc at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 23 13:49:16 2008 From: hmlinc at sbcglobal.net (J R Read_HML) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:49:16 -0600 Subject: [FC] electrical gremlin References: <20081223.200430.5775.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <14E6BBB701554ACEA147E2FA563E36A0@OFFICEDELL> If you temporarily disconnect the added instrument panel, does everything go back to normal? Did you disturb the cable which controls the turn signal switch during the panel installation? I'm not sure that there is a fuse for the headlights. I think there is a circuit breaker in the light switch instead. Later, JR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [FC] electrical gremlin > OK, I have a possibly self - inflicted electrical problem. After > reassembly of my '61 Rampy I installed a battery and made the usual > checks. I noted that all turn signals,headlights domelight, taillights,and > heater fan and wipers all worked. Then I installed an additional > instrument set obtained from our east coast Corvair parts vendor > consisting of electrical volt guage an oil - pressure guage and oil temp > guage. With them installed I now note that the headlights no longer come > on, and the "right turn" green arrow on the dash stays illumintaed (with > no signalling taking place) unless I signal "left turn", at which point > the left side signal flashes and I can hera the flasher working. I do not > see a fuse for the headlights in the fusebox. > An Ideas on how to proceed to diagnose? > Thanks > Tim W '61 Rampy licensed and only needing a windshield from Santa. > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to learn more about nursing jobs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bVNDfUYV2h1r8naTGGKt0ielfvVk4f9yMpZkLsMXH443Ak/ > _______________________________________________ > Corvanatics mailing list > Corvanatics at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ From wern3 at juno.com Tue Dec 23 14:20:23 2008 From: wern3 at juno.com (wern3 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:20:23 GMT Subject: [FC] electrical gremlins-II Message-ID: <20081223.212023.20958.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Now that i think about it, i did paint the steering wheel column with a rattle - can of metallic grey paint. I suppose I will need to remove that switch and see what happened inside there. Thanks for the ideas! Tim ____________________________________________________________ Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning assistance! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1hgiByUNofyP1Jw88a4Bw2LJ3h4aKTzKdaaOTRwZ1x7orxG/ From source at adnc.com Wed Dec 31 06:38:38 2008 From: source at adnc.com (David C. Herrin III) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:38:38 -0800 Subject: [FC] Extended Sales - Advertisment Message-ID: Happy New Year ! I am ever slowly and very carefully returning to work. As I have not been readily available for most of 2008 - I will accept orders at the SALE prices found in the Corsa Communique for the last quarter of 2008 till 01/31/09: September 2008 - RS & US Dual Master Cylinder Kits Pass. & FC October 2008 - US 2021 Corsa Enterprises Front Spoilers November 2008 - US EOEIA = Capacitive Discharge Ignition System December 2008 - US HEI-I & US HEI -II Limited to Stock on Hand Please January 2009 - US HT7181 Ultra Series "Deep Dimple" Corvair Lifters reg. $ 99.95 Sale $ 79.95 Warning these may be the Last ! Manufacturer is probably defunct. Losing our manufacturers to the "Third World" and the Economy Detailed Product Bulletins are available for most of our popular items. I would like additional "beta" testers for our Ultra Series "Black & Gold Kevlar" High Performance / Severe Service Brake Shoes esp. want Early and FC vehicles - "Intro" pricing for those qualified evaluators; preference for our Ultra Series "Street Kevlar" users. I could also use some federal bailout funds ... +100 new high quality products stalled for lack of funding. Of course - Nothing from the Third World. David The Source, Inc. 13975 Mira Montana, Del Mar, CA. 92014-3113 Telephone: 858/259-1520 (machine) Voice Mail and Fax: 858/259-3843 Web: www.thesourceparts.com E-Mail: source at adnc.com From judgehouston at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 14:00:06 2008 From: judgehouston at yahoo.com (David Houston) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:00:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [FC] Car drivetrain in a FC Message-ID: <808073.80381.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I own a 1961 Greenbrier with a '63 motor and PG. My axle is a 3.55 w/o posi. What is my disadvantage, if any, if I become stuck in snow, sliding on ice, etc... Does just one wheel drive the vehicle at all times? Or can the drive wheel switch back and forth? I was told that in posi axles both rear wheels drive the vehicle all the time. Is this so?? The reason is that my drive wheel was switching back and forth going up a slick hill. Also, I use a tetra-ethyl lead additive called 'Max-lead 2000' out of Indiana. My motor responds much better, especially going up the numerous hills in Maine. I know many owners say its not needed but we just went to 10% ethanol and many older car owners are having fuel problems like vapor lock and constant pinging even with the timing retarded. I also have a modified road draft tube that works very well. The previous owner grafted it onto the '63 motor.? He always used Hi-test gas and I've continued with good results after I rebuilt both my carbs. Lastly my fuel gauge only rises a little above E. Is this a bad ground?? The previous owners really cut up the wiring for his stereo, which I pulled out. From vairmech at aol.com Wed Dec 31 14:45:06 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:45:06 -0500 Subject: [FC] Car drivetrain in a FC In-Reply-To: <808073.80381.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <808073.80381.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB39976A679A46-A44-D2@webmail-db18.sysops.aol.com> ????? HMMMM, there are many answers to your slippery question. When you are stuck or starting out on slippery stuff, the more wheels you have driving the better to get going. But, if you are moving on a slippery surface I prefer an NON posi. Reason being is that with the posi it is more likely to induce a slide or a spin because you will lose traction on both rear wheels when they spin, not just one. It has been pointed out many times that in a Corvair, you really don't need a posi except for a very few times on the street. As you well know what has been said above is no better than the driver trying to use it. You still need a judicial right foot on the accelerator pedal. ?? As far as the lead additive, you really don't need it for the engine, unless you feel that the performance is better with it. The Corvair engine will run it's full life on no lead with no ill effects. If you pay attention to the fuel line routing and/or put an electric fuel pump in you will have little or no vapor lock problems. That being said, I had a van that I did everything that I could think of and read about to get it to stop vapor locking. The only cure was a full time electric fuel pump up front. Also I have had several FC's that didn't need anything special for fuel delivery. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com -----Original Message----- From: David Houston To: corvanatics at corvair.org Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 2:00 pm Subject: [FC] Car drivetrain in a FC I own a 1961 Greenbrier with a '63 motor and PG. My axle is a 3.55 w/o posi. What is my disadvantage, if any, if I become stuck in snow, sliding on ice, etc... Does just one wheel drive the vehicle at all times? Or can the drive wheel switch back and forth? I was told that in posi axles both rear wheels drive the vehicle all the time. Is this so?? The reason is that my drive wheel was switching back and forth going up a slick hill. Also, I use a tetra-ethyl lead additive called 'Max-lead 2000' out of Indiana. My motor responds much better, especially going up the numerous hills in Maine. I know many owners say its not needed but we just went to 10% ethanol and many older car owners are having fuel problems like vapor lock and constant pinging even with the timing retarded. I also have a modified road draft tube that works very well. The previous owner grafted it onto the '63 motor.? He always used Hi-test gas and I've continued with good results after I rebuilt both my carbs. Lastly my fuel gauge only rises a little above E. Is this a bad ground?? The previous owners really cut up the wiring for his stereo, which I pulled out. _______________________________________________ Corvanatics mailing list Corvanatics at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/