PPCC List - PPCC Board decision on hosting the 2024 CORSA National Convention

Sun Aug 22 23:01:45 EDT 2021

You can do what ever you want. I am no longer in the club.

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 6:41 PM Ken Schifftner <kschifftner48 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> David:
>
> Certainly if what you say is true, there would never be a Convention.
>
> CORSA Guidelines do not require all of this information in the Bid or
> Planning stages. I don’t know where that misinformation came from but
> likely came from the largely obsolete Guidelines written way back in 1990.
> Yes, eventually that detailed info is needed but it develops over a three
> (3) year period of time. That is why future conventions, if any, are
> started three (3) years in advance. The effort evolves in stages, not all
> at once.
>
> CORSA guidelines start from a simple Bid that is mostly Planning and
> Organization. Yes, Chair positions are eventually needed but those are not
> required initially. Staffing is done after the basic planning is
> established and basic tasks are listed. The amount of people required
> depends upon the Plan. The Plan outlines what components of the Convention
> the host club and supporting clubs want to include. The Plan remains a
> guidepost during the three (3) years and even in the post-Convention
> review. In the Bid, yes, the Chairperson , Convention dates, proposed host
> hotel, and list of proposed target events (Concours, moving events, local
> tours, banquet, etc.) are outlined but they don’t need to be staffed three
> (3) years in advance. They don’t need to be because they can’t be (unless
> someone has a very clear crystal ball).
>
> The host club itself is not obligated to provide and staff all activities
> in the Bid or even eventually. Supporting clubs and CORSA help. Next year’s
> Convention (Atlanta) I’m told is comprised of five (5) clubs working
> together under a host club. They never supplied in the Bid stage a complete
> list of every single chair person. Likely key candidates however may have
> been mentioned but not specific people for every task. Wisconsin (2023) , I
> believe, has three (3) clubs working together. Sturbridge had one host club
> and two (2) primary support clubs. Sturbridge didn’t even have a complete
> staff until after the second meeting. CORSA took care of scoring,
> registration data, hotel negotiations, insurance etc.. Complete staffing is
> not performed in the bid stage. People volunteered after the Plan and
> Organization areas were defined and approved so those volunteers could see
> if they liked the Plan and if they saw parts of the Organization where they
> could help.  Some people actually changed from one activity to another as
> the work progressed over the years leading up to the Convention.
>
> I view the sequence like that used for writing a term term paper. The
> (Plan) or topic is thought of first. The main points (Organization) or
> outline is next. After that, the details are written (essentially
> Staffing). It is impossible to jump ahead to Staffing when the Plan and
> general Organization hasn’t been decided upon. First things first. Floor
> mats are not purchased first and then the vehicle.
>
> With 2024, we had 15 members take the time to respond vote and be heard.
> Dozens others chose to be silent. Of the 15, 14 voted Thumbs Up, or about
> 93% of who responded.  The one who initially voted Thumbs Down even
> eventually offered to Chair a session because they are pro-Corvair,
> pro-Corvair activities, pro- Corvair preservation. If there is no
> Convention, it will be the silent who were heard.
>
> I hope people are not forming opinions based upon the false notion that
> all of the detailed information is required up front. The basics , Plan and
> Organization, yes, are required but three (3) years is purposely given to
> develop the details and over those years things can and likely will change.
> Change is a reality. That is why CORSA only requires certain details along
> the way not at the start and allows three (3) years for the pan to be
> developed and be competed si=o the effort results in a successful
> Convention.
>
>
>
>
> Ken Schifftner
> kschifftner48 at gmail.com
>
> 201-749-3063 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:39 AM, David Feasel via PPCC-List <
> ppcc-list at corvair.org> wrote:
>
>    First I would like to ask who is "hvac1515"?
>    Second my understanding is that the proposal for the convention had to
> in to Corsa by September according to Ken Shiftner. Without guidelines
> provided by Corsa how can the board have time to give any intelligent
> information to the club.
>   Before any decision such as this ANY organization or company must have
> all information needed to make a decision. Think about it people and be
> smart as to the actions needed.
>   1. What committees are needed and what are their duties?
>   2. How many people are usually needed to fill each committee?
>   3. What venues or events are needed and where would they be located?
>   4. What materials are needed and where would they need to come from?
>   5. What license or permits are needed?
>    This is just some of the information that would be needed to make any
> intelligent decision. BE SMART!
>   Think about it for a minute, does the PPCC have the membership numbers
> to be able to hold such an event? There are only about 11 PPCC members in
> the Springs area that may or may not be able to be available on short
> notice to take care of any action that may need to happen.
>   An example is the hospitality room.
>     A. What food and drinks are to be provided?
>     B. Who is going to get the food and drinks? This usually takes
> anywhere from 3 to 6 people.
>     C. You need ice chests and ice to keep drinks cold and you need
> sometimes a small group of people to transport food and drinks.
>     D. You need people to man the room. YOU CANNOT MAN IT WOTH JUST ONE
> PERSON.
>    E. You need personal to clean up afterwards.
>    F. You need people to transport remaining goods out of room to wherever
> you store the goods.
>   Short answer is you need at least 6 people to be able to support the
> hospitality room room at any given time. I know this from experience in
> running events the size of a convention and larger.
>   THE CLUB NEEDS GUIDANCE FROM CORSA WHICH IS NOT FORTHCOMING.
>   I am very frustrated with those that have no knowledge or have never
> been involved in the GRUNT work involved.
>   ASK QUESTION BEFORE SAYING YES LETS DO IT.
>   THINK, THINK, THINK.
>   Do not disparage the board as to their decision. The time limit imposed
> and the lack of info I think they made the right decision.
>    This is last commit I will be making on this subject as I will be
> leaving the club do to the lack of involvement of the club and the lack of
> enthusiasm of its membership to be involved in leadership positions in this
> club but are more then willing to do nothing more then complain about the
> current leadership.
>   I am not afraid to put my name to this email, David Feasel.
>
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2021, 10:48 PM hvac1515 via PPCC-List <
> ppcc-list at corvair.org> wrote:
>
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: hvac1515 <hvac1515 at aol.com>
>> To: JERRY PEEVYHOUSE <kpvhouse53 at msn.com>, PPCC List <
>> ppcc-list at corvair.org>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 04:47:51 +0000 (UTC)
>> Subject: Re: PPCC List - PPCC Board decision on hosting the 2024 CORSA
>> National Convention
>> I don't think that it is right for the Board to
>> make to make such a decision without taking it to the vote with the club
>> members and one of our meetings this is going to have very bad
>> repercussions and for that I am very saddened because this is gonna
>> weakens the as a hole.
>>
>>
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>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021, 10:15 PM, JERRY PEEVYHOUSE via PPCC-List <
>> ppcc-list at corvair.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello club members,
>> I trust that all of you have seen the email that John sent earlier this
>> week regarding his stepping down as President of PPCC over issues arising
>> from club discussions regarding possible club hosting of the 2024 CORSA
>> National Convention.  I personally am sad that things got to that point,
>> but at the board meeting I called this week as acting president to discuss
>> how to proceed and get past this, we all agreed that we need to work as a
>> club to continue with our purpose to promote the acquisition, preservation,
>> restoration, exhibition, and enjoyment of Corvairs.
>> We also discussed how to proceed with the subject of hosting the
>> convention in 2024, and voted unanimously not to present a bid to CORSA to
>> host the convention.  We realize that while there were some members who had
>> expressed interest in this, there were numerous unanswered questions, and
>> pressures being placed on us to get this done ASAP without having updated
>> written guidance provided by CORSA.
>> If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them to any of the
>> board members.
>> Thanks to those who expressed interest.  We are always looking for club
>> leadership positions to be filled.
>> This is all new to me, so I solicit your patience and understanding.  We
>> are always stronger when we work together.
>>
>> Jerry Peevyhouse
>> Acting PPCC President
>>
>>
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: hvac1515 via PPCC-List <ppcc-list at corvair.org>
>> To: JERRY PEEVYHOUSE <kpvhouse53 at msn.com>, PPCC List <
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>> Cc:
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>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 04:47:51 +0000 (UTC)
>> Subject: Re: PPCC List - PPCC Board decision on hosting the 2024 CORSA
>> National Convention
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