[SCG] Re: SCG meeting

Tue Nov 29 14:23:47 EST 2005

Larry.....The point I was attempting to make is that it is not logical to presume that alllllllll Special Interest Groups have the same requirements to meet the needs of their constituants, and by simply dictating they all have to be treated exactly the same is simplistic and short sighted...

dme out....
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Claypool 
  To: Dave Ellis ; hljensen at comcast.net ; sarahvair at juno.com 
  Cc: Stan East ; Jim Diell ; Chuck Facklmam ; SAM ANDOLINA ; Rich McClive ; David Robinson ; Chuck Littman ; Jeff Clark ; scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com ; "Dave Newell" ; "Bill Chellis" ; "Kent Sullivan" ; "Rich Thompson" ; airvair at richnet.net ; "CORSA/CPF BoD" 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: SCG meeting

  dme
   so i understand you are saying it's ok to give SCG two meetings (when this years' meeting will be their first reguarly scheduled one) on the day and time they specify, but corvanatics, airvairs, and virtual vairs, who have a running track record of many conventions will simply get along with one meeting that falls into the overall plan of the convention?  just wanted to make sure i read that correctly.
  as for the   "  very retrogressive concept'  we have for years tried to schedule a convention so that any person that wants to do all the corvair events -auto x, rally, econo run, concours/car display, tech sessions, special interst interest groups, etc.  could do so; choices would have to me made about going on tours instead of attending corvair events, but all corvair events would be possible to attend.
  we are already compromising that by overlapping some group meetings, so we pick the groups that have the least commonality.

  as for scheduling the event during the autocross, stan east specifically rejected the idea of the SCG 'event' occuring during any other major event.
  remember also that stock class drivers (as well as all other classes) are required to 'work' the course during another heat, so you simply don't show up, run, then leave.
  while i realize all of us have our own particular interests, the convention as a whole must accomodate the diversity of intersts and groups that make up corsa. 
  larry  
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Dave Ellis 
    To: hljensen at comcast.net ; sarahvair at juno.com ; Larry Claypool 
    Cc: Stan East ; Jim Diell ; Chuck Facklmam ; SAM ANDOLINA ; Rich McClive ; David Robinson ; Chuck Littman ; Jeff Clark ; scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com ; "Dave Newell" ; "Bill Chellis" ; "Kent Sullivan" ; "Rich Thompson" ; airvair at richnet.net ; "CORSA/CPF BoD" 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:14 AM
    Subject: Re: SCG meeting

    Sorry....I now understand that we, the SCG and the FourClubs were underinformed; and we did not realize that all the special interest groups had to have exactly the same scheduling treatment at the Convention.

    Also the same "we" were unaware that the National Convention is not large enough in its scope that it can not have parallel tracks in it's event structure to meet the diverse needs of its membership...single threaded schedule hmmm....a very retrogressive concept...

    dme out...
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Larry Claypool 
      To: sarahvair at juno.com ; hljensen at comcast.net 
      Cc: "CORSA/CPF BoD" ; airvair at richnet.net ; "Rich Thompson" ; "Stan East" ; mandolin at rochester.rr.com ; "Kent Sullivan" ; "DaveEllis" ; "Bill Chellis" ; "Dave Newell" ; scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com 
      Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:21 AM
      Subject: SCG meeting

      gentlemen-
           the corsa board, convention folks, etc are not denying the SCG a meeting; this is not a "Corsa VS. STG". we recognize the SCG and have planned all along to scheduled a time slot that is as long as any other special interest group @ 90 minutes. we have additionally tried to schedule it during daylight hours so you can opt to have your meeting outside if you wish to do the car by car look over.
          convention scheduling is a very difficult task. we (harry, myself, sarah, chuck, stan, and the andolinos)spent much time trying to slot everything into the available time. we have 69 line items on this year's schedule and only 4 days to hold them all. of particular circumstance this year is 2 major evening events, a dinner cruise on friday and a CPF presentation (building the corvair engine) on thursday, so we effectively  "lost'  two evenings where we would normally hold some of the special interest meetings. do you want to have a STG meeting the same time as the dinner cruise? neither does any other group. we have in the past tried to keep all the special interest groups in their own non conflicting meeting time, but of late, because of the tight schedule, now have corvanatics, V8 registry, and oil filter collectors at the same time. this year we added SCG to the list; we had to overlap ultra van and the STG meeting to make it all fit. our event schedule already starts at 8 am or earlier every day and runs to 10 pm.or later, so we don't really have room to go earlier/later in the day. do we move meetings to tuesday? nobody wants to schedule their meeting then because it's early on and it's generally felt not everybody will be there yet. unless we are proposing adding a day to the convention- which is a completely different topic- we are just flat out of time to add any more non conflicting events to the schedule.
          announcing the STG meeting day and time over VV before the convention schedule itself had been worked out was premature. we don't know how the schedule for a given convention looks until the convention committee sits down with the local hosts and sorts one out that is the most reasonable , non conflicting schedule we can do given the days available. i believe we did that.
          i am sorry there were not slots available for the SCG to hold a regular chapter meeting AND a SCG event in the lot without going timewise against some other convention events. the SCG can utilize it's scheduled time slot on thursday 3:30-5:00 PM any way you like. and, as sarah mentioned, if at the conclusion of that meeting, if you feel there's more to cover and want to organize an unofficial gathering at some other time during  the convention, that's ok with us- it just won't be on the published schedule.
          in summary, i want to restate that this whole recent SCG thread has been  taking a "Corsa VS. SCG", and that is not the case.  the convention committee is simply trying to schedule the SCG meeting- along with the 7 other special interest groups chapters- in reasonable time slots along with all the other many events and tours that make up a corsa convention
      best regards
      larry claypool

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