[SCG] SCG-list Digest, Vol 120, Issue 2 case paint
William Hubbell
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Fri Aug 3 15:23:21 EDT 2018
Well, I think it’s possible that they might’ve started spraying them black later in the ‘64 Model year. I know that happened to the underbody (floor pans) - early ‘64s and earlier years the floor pans were left in red primer (with body color overspray) but somewhere later in the ‘64 Model year they started getting painted black - have never been able to pin down the exact date, but both Rich Thompson and I observed this when restoring our late ‘64 cars. Perhaps this also resulted in the differentials getting painted, although so far as I know the transmissions (PG) remained bare.
Mystery upon mystery.
Bill
On Aug 3, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Crawford Rose via SCG-list <scg-list at corvair.org> wrote:
The three NOS 64 differentials that I have acquired have all been painted chassis black (satin) on the areas exposed to the elements. The throwout face, top cover face and transmission face are bare metal.
Crawford Rose
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1. Re: Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
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2. Re: Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
(William Hubbell)
3. Re: Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange? (Stan East)
4. Re: Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
(William Hubbell)
5. Re: Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
(larry at vairshop.com)
6. Re: Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
(William Hubbell)
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 14:45:33 -0400
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Subject: Re: [SCG] Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
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Chassis black like most underbody components
------ Original message------From: William HubbellDate: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 7:29 AMTo: Stock Corvair Group;Larry Claypool;Larry Claypool;Dave Newell;Cc: Subject:Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Can anybody tell me what color the early model axle shafts and flanges should be? I?ve never seen them new, only rusted.Bill
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 15:33:36 -0400
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Subject: Re: [SCG] Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
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Larry,
Thanks. I took photos of the undercarriage of the Lambrecht 1963 Corvair in Knoxville.
I do have photos of the axle shafts - they appear lightly rusted but I?m not sure if I am detecting a hint of black paint on the axles. If so, it must?ve been a very thin coating. I do not have photos of the axle flanges.
Also, does that differential appear to have black paint on it? I always thought they were left unpainted as well.
Here are the photos
Bill
On Aug 2, 2018, at 2:45 PM, "larry at vairshop.com" <larry at vairshop.com> wrote:
Chassis black like most underbody components
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From: William Hubbell
Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 7:29 AM
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Subject:Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Can anybody tell me what color the early model axle shafts and flanges should be? I?ve never seen them new, only rusted.Bill
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 15:47:10 -0400
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Subject: Re: [SCG] Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
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Bill
Regarding the transaxle I believe you are right in that it was left as cast iron. Eastwood has a paint finish that closely matches that called cast iron grey. The casting process would not always produce the cast grey but something between that and a "black" as cast color depending on how the casting was cleaned after the casting.
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Subject: Re: [SCG] Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Larry,
Thanks.? I took photos of the undercarriage of the Lambrecht 1963 Corvair in Knoxville.
I do have photos of the axle shafts - they appear lightly rusted but I?m not sure if I am detecting a hint of black paint on the axles.? If so, it must?ve been a very thin coating.? I do not have photos of the axle flanges.
Also, does that differential appear to have black paint on it?? I always thought they were left unpainted as well.
Here are the photos
Bill
On Aug 2, 2018, at 2:45 PM, "larry at vairshop.com" <larry at vairshop.com> wrote:
Chassis black like most underbody components
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Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 7:29 AM
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Subject:Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Can anybody tell me what color the early model axle shafts and flanges should be? I?ve never seen them new, only rusted.Bill This message was sent by the SCG-list mailing list, all copyrights are the property of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:scg-list-help at corvair.org This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corvair.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf295cc4311d84a089f0608d5f95a2d24%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636689088052988886&sdata=L7nYIQA7vqTMOCaSWYw8DxaDqbR29YjwPaF6tYdSF%2Bc%3D&reserved=0
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Thanks, Stan. Yes, I am quite familiar with ?cast iron grey? paint.
I am still questioning whether the axles were ever painted or not. If you look at the photos of the Lambrecht car, the control arms and crossmember are clearly chassis black - not rusted, but the axles are lightly rusted. Both were exposed to the same relatively mild environmental conditions of being stored indoors for over 50 years (so moisture was mostly from humidity, although I understand the building roof did eventually develop a leak) and the car was otherwise new, so it doesn?t seem that the axles would?ve rusted like that and the control arms would not if they had both been coated the same.
Bill
On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Stan East <sgeast at interlog.com> wrote:
Bill
Regarding the transaxle I believe you are right in that it was left as cast iron. Eastwood has a paint finish that closely matches that called cast iron grey. The casting process would not always produce the cast grey but something between that and a "black" as cast color depending on how the casting was cleaned after the casting.
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Subject: Re: [SCG] Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Larry,
Thanks. I took photos of the undercarriage of the Lambrecht 1963 Corvair in Knoxville.
I do have photos of the axle shafts - they appear lightly rusted but I?m not sure if I am detecting a hint of black paint on the axles. If so, it must?ve been a very thin coating. I do not have photos of the axle flanges.
Also, does that differential appear to have black paint on it? I always thought they were left unpainted as well.
Here are the photos
Bill
On Aug 2, 2018, at 2:45 PM, "larry at vairshop.com" <larry at vairshop.com> wrote:
Chassis black like most underbody components
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Subject:Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Can anybody tell me what color the early model axle shafts and flanges should be? I?ve never seen them new, only rusted.Bill This message was sent by the SCG-list mailing list, all copyrights are the property of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:scg-list-help at corvair.org This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corvair.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf295cc4311d84a089f0608d5f95a2d24%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636689088052988886&sdata=L7nYIQA7vqTMOCaSWYw8DxaDqbR29YjwPaF6tYdSF%2Bc%3D&reserved=0
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Subject: Re: [SCG] Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
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I wonder if they were sprayed *after* they were installed....may explain why the yoke has paint apparent only on one side and some appears on diff case
------ Original message------From: William HubbellDate: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 3:33 PMTo: larry at vairshop.com;Cc: Stock Corvair Group;Larry Claypool;Dave Newell;Subject:Re: Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Larry,
Thanks. ?I took photos of the undercarriage of the Lambrecht 1963 Corvair in Knoxville. ?
I do have photos of the axle shafts - they appear lightly rusted but I?m not sure if I am detecting a hint of black paint on the axles. ?If so, it must?ve been a very thin coating. ?I do not have photos of the axle flanges.
Also, does that differential appear to have black paint on it? ?I always thought they were left unpainted as well.?
Here are the photos
Bill
On Aug 2, 2018, at 2:45 PM, "larry at vairshop.com" <larry at vairshop.com> wrote:
Chassis black like most underbody components
------ Original message------From: William HubbellDate: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 7:29 AMTo: Stock Corvair Group;Larry Claypool;Larry Claypool;Dave Newell;Cc: Subject:Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Can anybody tell me what color the early model axle shafts and flanges should be? I?ve never seen them new, only rusted.Bill
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:29:17 -0400
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Subject: Re: [SCG] Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
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Well, they look like this right now, so I?m going to need to decide very soon - do I paint them black or coat them with ?bare steel? paint?
Bill
On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:40 PM, "larry at vairshop.com" <larry at vairshop.com> wrote:
I wonder if they were sprayed *after* they were installed....may explain why the yoke has paint apparent only on one side and some appears on diff case
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From: William Hubbell
Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 3:33 PM
To: larry at vairshop.com;
Cc: Stock Corvair Group;Larry Claypool;Dave Newell;
Subject:Re: Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Larry,
Thanks. I took photos of the undercarriage of the Lambrecht 1963 Corvair in Knoxville.
I do have photos of the axle shafts - they appear lightly rusted but I?m not sure if I am detecting a hint of black paint on the axles. If so, it must?ve been a very thin coating. I do not have photos of the axle flanges.
Also, does that differential appear to have black paint on it? I always thought they were left unpainted as well.
Here are the photos
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On Aug 2, 2018, at 2:45 PM, "larry at vairshop.com" <larry at vairshop.com> wrote:
Chassis black like most underbody components
------ Original message------
From: William Hubbell
Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 7:29 AM
To: Stock Corvair Group;Larry Claypool;Larry Claypool;Dave Newell;
Cc:
Subject:Finish or color of EM axle shafts and flange?
Can anybody tell me what color the early model axle shafts and flanges should be? I?ve never seen them new, only rusted.Bill
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