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<DIV>Hank,</DIV>
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<DIV>Actually, it is. At least in industry lingo. It's the Chevy marketing department that bastardized the word "sedan" by attaching "sport" to it to designate a 4door hardtop. Just like they bastardized the coupe designation for the 2door hardtop. (A coupe is, properly, a status upgrade from a 2door sedan.) It's STILL not industry standard, which was my point. Yet because of such linguistic bastardizing, the general public has swallowed the concept of a sedan automatically being a 4door. And THAT is what grates against my nerves, because a sedan (of any number of doors) was always considered a lesser value than the hardtop equivalent. By going hardtop, the LM Corvair was actually upgraded in stature. So why are we (in the club) so willing to downgrade it?</DIV>
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<DIV>I don't have a problem with using Chevy marketing's bastardized termonology, though begrudgingly so. But ONLY when it's used in its entirety.</DIV>
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<DIV>I also find it annoying that the term "sedan" has been so misappropriated, to the point of becoming something it isn't, in the minds of the general public. It behoves us as REAL, educated, car enthusiasts to inform them that a sedan can have any number of doors, and that a "sedan" is NOT an automatic designation for a 4door. We as REAL car enthusiasts owe it to the hobby to speak in correct termonology. Otherwise, we become as foolish as those who don't know any better.</DIV>
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<DIV>-Mark</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kaczmarek@charter.net href="mailto:kaczmarek@charter.net">henry kaczmarek</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=airvair@earthlink.net href="mailto:airvair@earthlink.net">airvair@earthlink.net</A>;<A title=whubbell@umich.edu href="mailto:whubbell@umich.edu">whubbell@umich.edu</A>;<A title=scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com href="mailto:scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com">Stock Corvair Group</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 12/31/2007 6:44:05 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [SCG] Looking for Corvair Collections</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Mark</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Actually that's not completely correct.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial>
<DIV><BR>Any Chevrolet 4Dr Hardtop was considered a "Sport Sedan"</DIV>
<DIV>In GMese. Just as any 2dr HT was considered a "Sport Coupe"</DIV>
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<DIV>Oldsmobile called their Pillarless Hardtop Models "Holiday"</DIV>
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<DIV>Hank</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=airvair@earthlink.net href="mailto:airvair@earthlink.net">Mark Corbin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=whubbell@umich.edu href="mailto:whubbell@umich.edu">whubbell@umich.edu</A> ; <A title=scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com href="mailto:scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com">Stock Corvair Group</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 31, 2007 4:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [SCG] Looking for Corvair Collections</DIV>
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<DIV>You could add Mike McKeel, Gaston, IN to the list. Mostly lates, particularly a/c cars and 4 door HARDTOPS. (Note that there is no such thing as a LM sedan, as all LM's were hardtops.) </DIV>
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<DIV>-Mark</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=whubbell@cox.net href="mailto:whubbell@cox.net">Bill Hubbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com href="mailto:scg-list@tiger.skiblack.com">Stock Corvair Group</A>;<A title=virtualvairs@corvair.org href="mailto:virtualvairs@corvair.org">Virtual Vairs</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 12/30/2007 7:42:44 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [SCG] Looking for Corvair Collections</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As a resource tool for the <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stock Corvair Group</st1:PersonName>, I would like to compile a listing of known “collections” of unrestored vintage Corvairs (junkyards, businesses, private collections, etc.) This will help the SCG know where to look for information when a particular research project is identified. In addition to listing the locations of such collections, I would like to attempt to also identify the vehicles in each collection by year, model, etc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In attempt to get the process started, I am listing the following collections known to me:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Corvair Ranch – Gettysburg, PA (business) - Over 600 Corvair cars, trucks, and Ultravans are located outdoors on the property<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bruce Hewitt’s farm – Vale, NC (private) – over 100 Corvairs are located outdoors on farm<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Paul Whelan’s farm - <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Dinwidde</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">VA</st1:State></st1:place> (private) – over 50 Corvairs are located outdoors on farm<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Norm King’s Garage – <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Flint</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MI</st1:State></st1:place> (business) – <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bill Hubbell</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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