From s10birdman1966 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 07:35:45 2008 From: s10birdman1966 at yahoo.com (tom zimmermann) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 04:35:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [V8Vairs] heater options Message-ID: <739580.66850.qm@web53701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ..Craig,the non-A/C s10 unit *may* fit vertically in that area..you could draw inside air from the shelf behind the rear seat, the square-ish plastic outlet could connect to the angled section of the Corvair duct...I'll try to email you a pic... From GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com Mon Dec 1 08:27:23 2008 From: GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com (GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:27:23 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] Lower strut re-locating bracket holes Message-ID: Bryan: Thanks; and thanks for posting the photo of the modified subframe on my 1st Crown car. Gary In a message dated 11/30/2008 7:36:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, bryan at skiblack.com writes: The existing holes will give you no camber gain at all. Bob Coffin suggested 3/4", which is about halfway to the stock bracket pivot point (you may want to check this, just to verify). More info at: http://autoxer.skiblack.com/setup.html --Bryan **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From geoffj at unm.edu Mon Dec 1 09:20:35 2008 From: geoffj at unm.edu (Geoffrey Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:20:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [V8Vairs] Heater options? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure what the heater core is out of but here is the install in my '66. It was fabricated before I got the car. It is connected to the stock duct and uses stock controls. http://www.unm.edu/~geoffj/Vair/1966-V8-Corsa/FirstDay/Coronado13.JPG From vairmech at aol.com Mon Dec 1 09:28:23 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:28:23 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] Lower strut re-locating bracket holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB21D8334C5334-20C-189@WEBMAIL-MY32.sysops.aol.com> ???? That would depend on what you are trying to do with the car.? If you use the original holes in the bracket your rear wheels will tend to stay more flat on the ground but I think overall handling is affected in cornering, if you put the hole up the 1" then you compromise between the stock setting and the aftermarket with a better handling car.? Although my race car was not a V-8 I did use the bracket and I tried both ways and settled on the raised hole position about 1" up. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com -----Original Message----- From: GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com To: v8vairs at corvair.org Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 8:26 pm Subject: [V8Vairs] Lower strut re-locating bracket holes Any thoughts on whether to use the existing holes on the lowering bracket, or to re-drill 1" up (or 1.25" or 1.5") on a Crown V8 Car? Thanks, Gary Hoffman **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From nicolcs at aol.com Mon Dec 1 12:25:24 2008 From: nicolcs at aol.com (Craig Nicol) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:25:24 -0800 Subject: [V8Vairs] was Heater options, now cooling options. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c953d9$cc7b6fa0$0201a8c0@HPOFFICE> Thanks for the pic, Geoff. I hadn't considered a trunk mount. Based on the widely varying suggestions, I'm concluding that there's no slam-dunk common solution. I'll let you all know what I end up with. Let's hope it's simple. I suppose I could just install a Vintage Air underdash heat/cool unit and call it done. I'd rather lose the glove box than even more trunk space. Cooling: I'm probably going to go for a laid-flat radiator in the front - unless someone has a better plan. Any particular radiator/fan combination that you're really in love with? My 215 (actually 256) likely produces about 200 hp. It wouldn't bother me to run a rear radiator though I'm not keen on removing a bunch of body structure to make it happen. Thanks in advance, Craig Nicol 66 Monza / rear mounted alum V8 From GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com Mon Dec 1 21:09:56 2008 From: GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com (GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:09:56 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] Lower strut re-locating bracket holes Message-ID: Ken: Thanks; the car is being built to (hopefully) be a vintage car racer (roadtrack........ IFF they let me in to run in the exhibition class). It will also be used to autocross. So I definitely want it to corner well. Gary H In a message dated 12/1/2008 6:28:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, vairmech at aol.com writes: ???? That would depend on what you are trying to do with the car.? If you use the original holes in the bracket your rear wheels will tend to stay more flat on the ground but I think overall handling is affected in cornering, if you put the hole up the 1" then you compromise between the stock setting and the aftermarket with a better handling car.? Although my race car was not a V-8 I did use the bracket and I tried both ways and settled on the raised hole position about 1" up. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From martyscarr at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 20:01:21 2008 From: martyscarr at gmail.com (Marty Scarr) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:01:21 -0800 Subject: [V8Vairs] test Message-ID: test From PatioMatt at aol.com Wed Dec 10 20:03:21 2008 From: PatioMatt at aol.com (PatioMatt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:03:21 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] test Message-ID: Retest Happy Holidays! In a message dated 12/10/2008 5:01:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, martyscarr at gmail.com writes: test _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From tbarrie at meritprecision.com Thu Dec 11 11:26:09 2008 From: tbarrie at meritprecision.com (Tim Barrie) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:26:09 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am having trouble getting my message through to the server so I am tagging onto Marty's test. While Marty tries to figure it out I was wondering if anyone had a source for Lexan back windows or if you have been able to use the glass as a template to bend some lexan over? Thanks, Tim -----Original Message----- From: v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Marty Scarr Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:01 PM To: discussion of non-stock engines in Corvairs Subject: [V8Vairs] test test _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From PatioMatt at aol.com Thu Dec 11 11:43:03 2008 From: PatioMatt at aol.com (PatioMatt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:43:03 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:26:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tbarrie at meritprecision.com writes: I am having trouble getting my message through to the server so I am tagging onto Marty's test. While Marty tries to figure it out I was wondering if anyone had a source for Lexan back windows or if you have been able to use the glass as a template to bend some lexan over? Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ Someone was selling them.. but they are easy to make! Matt Nall All Vairs! Visit my Webpages! tinyurl.com/The-Patio somewhere between Sea Mountain and Coos Bay. OR. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From tbarrie at meritprecision.com Thu Dec 11 11:51:26 2008 From: tbarrie at meritprecision.com (Tim Barrie) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:51:26 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Matt, It looks like there are some compound curves to it so I was thinking that it would be more difficult. Any idea of what thickness to use and what to heat it with? Tim -----Original Message----- From: v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of PatioMatt at aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:43 AM To: v8vairs at corvair.org Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:26:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tbarrie at meritprecision.com writes: I am having trouble getting my message through to the server so I am tagging onto Marty's test. While Marty tries to figure it out I was wondering if anyone had a source for Lexan back windows or if you have been able to use the glass as a template to bend some lexan over? Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ Someone was selling them.. but they are easy to make! Matt Nall All Vairs! Visit my Webpages! tinyurl.com/The-Patio somewhere between Sea Mountain and Coos Bay. OR. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From PatioMatt at aol.com Thu Dec 11 11:56:17 2008 From: PatioMatt at aol.com (PatioMatt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:56:17 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:51:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tbarrie at meritprecision.com writes: It looks like there are some compound curves to it so I was thinking that it would be more difficult. Any idea of what thickness to use and what to heat it with? ======================================================= SCCA requires 1/4 " many use 1/8" and don't worry about the compound curves! I believe most use several heatlamps... Matt Nall All Vairs! Visit my Webpages! tinyurl.com/The-Patio somewhere between Sea Mountain and Coos Bay. OR. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From bryan at skiblack.com Thu Dec 11 13:28:13 2008 From: bryan at skiblack.com (Bryan Blackwell) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:28:13 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm told a heat gun works well for doing the curves. While a molded unit is nicer, this method will work if you're ok with a little visual distortion. --Bryan On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Tim Barrie wrote: > Matt, It looks like there are some compound curves to it so I was > thinking > that it would be more difficult. Any idea of what thickness to use > and what > to heat it with? Tim From ricknorris at suddenlink.net Thu Dec 11 14:37:37 2008 From: ricknorris at suddenlink.net (ricknorris at suddenlink.net) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:37:37 -0600 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081211133737.8SNCP.43397.root@Web01> Back in the day when I was autocrossing my 65 I made a lexan rear window but I didn't heat it. I cut it from a paper pattern I made from the glass then, after cutting it out I just started drilling and sheet metal screwing it from one side to the other. It will bend easily and look okay for a racer. I was driving it on the street though. -- Rick Norris #36 Sunoco Corvair www.corvairalley.com ---- Bryan Blackwell wrote: > I'm told a heat gun works well for doing the curves. While a molded > unit is nicer, this method will work if you're ok with a little > visual distortion. > > --Bryan > > On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Tim Barrie wrote: > > > Matt, It looks like there are some compound curves to it so I was > > thinking > > that it would be more difficult. Any idea of what thickness to use > > and what > > to heat it with? Tim > > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From vairmech at aol.com Thu Dec 11 16:09:06 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:09:06 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB29EBD578C521-720-AB@webmail-dd04.sysops.aol.com> ??? When I made mine I used a sheet bigger than the window it's self but only slightly. I then "C" clamped it to the window and I used a propane torch. You can just never stop in one spot with the torch?and must always move the flame, sorta fast. Test on a corner until you get the feel for it. I then heated the lexan and let it form over the big center part of the glass, one side at a time. I then "C" clamped farther down and kept heating outboard in small then larger areas. You will have to have more that just the pencil tip on your torch.?I also used the clamps to help bend the lexan as I got towards the outer curves. Before you take the clamps off mark the lexan so you know where to cut it. You can use a padded jig saw and a fine blade, use a file to finish the edges smooth. ?? When I was finished, it was semi professional looking. the reason I say semi is that if you looked close at the top corners where the curve is, the lexan was a little flatter than it shoud have been. If I didn't tell you about it you would never notice, go take a look Bill. I also used the rubber window ribon to install the lexan as I didn't want leaks and then I put the trim back over it. The screws that were in the trim were there before I got the car and I just re-used them along with the trim clips. ??? The window has been installed for 5 years now. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Barrie To: 'discussion of non-stock engines in Corvairs' Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:51 am Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Matt, It looks like there are some compound curves to it so I was thinking that it would be more difficult. Any idea of what thickness to use and what to heat it with? Tim -----Original Message----- From: v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of PatioMatt at aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:43 AM To: v8vairs at corvair.org Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:26:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tbarrie at meritprecision.com writes: I am having trouble getting my message through to the server so I am tagging onto Marty's test. While Marty tries to figure it out I was wondering if anyone had a source for Lexan back windows or if you have been able to use the glass as a template to bend some lexan over? Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ Someone was selling them.. but they are easy to make! Matt Nall All Vairs! Visit my Webpages! tinyurl.com/The-Patio somewhere between Sea Mountain and Coos Bay. OR. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From vairmech at aol.com Thu Dec 11 16:10:35 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:10:35 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB29EC0B4FECAD-720-C8@webmail-dd04.sysops.aol.com> ?? When I did my back glass the requirement was for 1/8" in the rear and 1/4 for the front. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com -----Original Message----- From: PatioMatt at aol.com To: v8vairs at corvair.org Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:56 am Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:51:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tbarrie at meritprecision.com writes: It looks like there are some compound curves to it so I was thinking that it would be more difficult. Any idea of what thickness to use and what to heat it with? ======================================================= SCCA requires 1/4 " many use 1/8" and don't worry about the compound curves! I believe most use several heatlamps... Matt Nall All Vairs! Visit my Webpages! tinyurl.com/The-Patio somewhere between Sea Mountain and Coos Bay. OR. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From The13Bats at aol.com Thu Dec 11 16:41:28 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:41:28 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] I Need car transported MI to FL ... Message-ID: Uship should be called Ugyp I have used Uship a few times and they were ok because they are free for the Shipper and charge the transporter a fee and of course the transporter ups their bid to cover that fee. Now they are surpassing Fleabay in getting greedy, They want to charge the Transporter AND the shipper now. So I get hit with a double fee from an outfit that plays the 3rd party neutral card if you get in a problem or cheated by a transporter they offer no help and little to no customer support of any kind. I need a non running kit car transported from MI to FL Are there other sites online that I can post my transport needs and get a good rate? Seems at this point Ugyp has me by the short hairs Many thanks for opinions and help Cheers, P. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From ricknorris at suddenlink.net Fri Dec 12 12:11:06 2008 From: ricknorris at suddenlink.net (ricknorris at suddenlink.net) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:06 -0600 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Message-ID: <20081212111106.3FCHG.65554.root@Web04> Back in the day when I was autocrossing my 65 I made a lexan rear window but I didn't heat it. I cut it from a paper pattern I made from the glass then, after cutting it out I just started drilling and sheet metal screwing it from one side to the other. It will bend easily and look okay for a racer. I was driving it on the street though. -- Rick Norris #36 Sunoco Corvair www.corvairalley.com ---- Bryan Blackwell wrote: > I'm told a heat gun works well for doing the curves. While a molded > unit is nicer, this method will work if you're ok with a little > visual distortion. > > --Bryan > > On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Tim Barrie wrote: > > > Matt, It looks like there are some compound curves to it so I was > > thinking > > that it would be more difficult. Any idea of what thickness to use > > and what > > to heat it with? Tim > > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From jim.acker at comcast.net Fri Dec 12 12:56:42 2008 From: jim.acker at comcast.net (Jim Acker) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:56:42 -0800 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Message-ID: <20081212175137.61BB23789E@tiger.skiblack.com> Arch Evans offers a rear window with a vent at the top to help pull hot air out of the car. They aren't cheap, but they look nice. Jim Acker From tbarrie at meritprecision.com Fri Dec 12 15:06:31 2008 From: tbarrie at meritprecision.com (Tim Barrie) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:06:31 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test Message-ID: Plain text instead of HTML From PatioMatt at aol.com Fri Dec 12 15:10:44 2008 From: PatioMatt at aol.com (PatioMatt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:10:44 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] test Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2008 12:06:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tbarrie at meritprecision.com writes: Plain text instead of HTML ===================================== Looks good here! **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From bryan at skiblack.com Fri Dec 12 15:26:28 2008 From: bryan at skiblack.com (Bryan Blackwell) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:26:28 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FD81C78-A6B3-4446-B9AD-976E82FE9A0F@skiblack.com> Got it. Mystery solved. --Bryan On Dec 12, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Tim Barrie wrote: > Plain text instead of HTML From GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com Fri Dec 12 22:34:03 2008 From: GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com (GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:34:03 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Message-ID: Ken: Thanks for the great tech tip. Two questions; first, has the Lexan turned (darker etc) from the sunlight? And when you put the trim back on, how did it fit (was there a big gap because the lexan was so much thinner than the glass). I guess 3 questions. Would you do it for a windshield on a street car being built to mainly autocross? Thanks, Gary Hoffman In a message dated 12/11/2008 1:09:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, vairmech at aol.com writes: ??? When I made mine I used a sheet bigger than the window it's self but only slightly. I then "C" clamped it to the window and I used a propane torch. You can just never stop in one spot with the torch?and must always move the flame, sorta fast. Test on a corner until you get the feel for it. I then heated the lexan and let it form over the big center part of the glass, one side at a time. I then "C" clamped farther down and kept heating outboard in small then larger areas. You will have to have more that just the pencil tip on your torch.?I also used the clamps to help bend the lexan as I got towards the outer curves. Before you take the clamps off mark the lexan so you know where to cut it. You can use a padded jig saw and a fine blade, use a file to finish the edges smooth. ?? When I was finished, it was semi professional looking. the reason I say semi is that if you looked close at the top corners where the curve is, the lexan was a little flatter than it shoud have been. If I didn't tell you about it you would never notice, go take a look Bill. I also used the rubber window ribon to install the lexan as I didn't want leaks and then I put the trim back over it. The screws that were in the trim were there before I got the car and I just re-used them along with the trim clips. ??? The window has been installed for 5 years now. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From ricknorris at suddenlink.net Sat Dec 13 07:13:33 2008 From: ricknorris at suddenlink.net (Rick Norris) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:13:33 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass References: Message-ID: <68468735526B4330A502C279FF35AD48@RICK> Gary, I have one of David Clemens lexan rear windows on my race car. It's a very nice pro made unit and fits right. I installed it the same as you would a real glass one with the 1/2" ribbon seal which you can get at your local FLAPS. I used the rubber spacer blocks that come with the kit so my trim looks right with no big gaps. I think David still has some in stock. Rick Norris #36 Sunoco Corvair www.corvairalley.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass > > Ken: > > Thanks for the great tech tip. Two questions; first, has the Lexan > turned > (darker etc) from the sunlight? And when you put the trim back on, how > did it > fit (was there a big gap because the lexan was so much thinner than the > glass). I guess 3 questions. Would you do it for a windshield on a > street car > being built to mainly autocross? > > Thanks, > Gary Hoffman > > In a message dated 12/11/2008 1:09:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, > vairmech at aol.com writes: > > ??? When I made mine I used a sheet bigger than the window it's self but > only slightly. I then "C" clamped it to the window and I used a propane > torch. > You can just never stop in one spot with the torch?and must always move > the > flame, sorta fast. Test on a corner until you get the feel for it. I then > heated the lexan and let it form over the big center part of the glass, > one side > at a time. I then "C" clamped farther down and kept heating outboard in > small > then larger areas. You will have to have more that just the pencil tip on > your torch.?I also used the clamps to help bend the lexan as I got > towards the > outer curves. Before you take the clamps off mark the lexan so you know > where > to cut it. You can use a padded jig saw and a fine blade, use a file to > finish the edges smooth. > > ?? When I was finished, it was semi professional looking. the reason I > say > semi is that if you looked close at the top corners where the curve is, > the > lexan was a little flatter than it shoud have been. If I didn't tell you > about > it you would never notice, go take a look Bill. I also used the rubber > window > ribon to install the lexan as I didn't want leaks and then I put the trim > back over it. The screws that were in the trim were there before I got > the car > and I just re-used them along with the trim clips. > > ??? The window has been installed for 5 years now. > > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release Date: > 12/12/2008 6:59 PM > > From lmharley at truvista.net Sat Dec 13 13:35:40 2008 From: lmharley at truvista.net (Lonnie M. Campbell) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:35:40 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In-Reply-To: <68468735526B4330A502C279FF35AD48@RICK> References: <68468735526B4330A502C279FF35AD48@RICK> Message-ID: <004a01c95d51$c41c6860$4c553920$@net> All: Working with the Mike Hawkes car and being a big fan of "ease of maintenance", I have decided to make a few changes to the interior to make the engine more accessible including having the seats hinge forward and remove with pins, re-doing the sheetmetal for easy access (hinges, dzus clips, smaller panels, etc.), adding better sound insulation. The guy who will be doing that work has a suggestion that we make the rear glass out of Lexan (I'll pass on the postings here) and have it hinge up - he is the fabrication guy so I am not quite sure how he would do that but we will certainly come to some agreement before biting into that though it would make access better. He is also a fan of showing off the motor and is suggesting we install a clear divider behind the seats - his idea, not something he has seen - and forgoing the panels altogether except for directly behind the seats. So, I have three questions: Is anyone running a hinged Lexan rear window on the street? And is there a difference in the interior temperature (more noisy being a given) with the clear "firewall" as opposed to the more-or-less standard engine cover? Lastly, is there a recommendation for a particular power window kit for the rear side glasses? I'll post in a few days some photos of the air intake under the front bumper and the front wheelwells to answer some questions about how Mike finished those areas - I am no computer guy so wish me luck. The car itself is a blast to drive, I've replaced the leaking header gaskets, changed the shifter handle to clear my long legs, and am trying to sort out the rear taillight wiring which seems to be out of whack. I see the need for different springs, front and rear, and perhaps some adjustable shocks - I am not a big fan of multiple spring spacers. Thanks... Lonnie Campbell _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From wayback at alltel.net Sat Dec 13 15:38:01 2008 From: wayback at alltel.net (wayback) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:38:01 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In-Reply-To: <004a01c95d51$c41c6860$4c553920$@net> References: <68468735526B4330A502C279FF35AD48@RICK> <004a01c95d51$c41c6860$4c553920$@net> Message-ID: Lonnie: I do not respond to the site very often as you guys are way ahead of me on most issues. But I do have a suggestion to offer. I have a partition behind the seats that extends part way up and is Lexan from there to the roof. It has worked out well with one exception. I would recommend setting the Lexan at an angle top to bottom as oncoming headlights are reflected in the interior mirror if left vertical and appear as a car approaching from the rear. This to me is an unnecessary distraction. Hope this is of some help. Don Prusha ZF 327 On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Lonnie M. Campbell wrote: > All: > > Working with the Mike Hawkes car and being a big fan of "ease of > maintenance", I have decided to make a few changes to the interior > to make > the engine more accessible including having the seats hinge forward > and > remove with pins, re-doing the sheetmetal for easy access (hinges, > dzus > clips, smaller panels, etc.), adding better sound insulation. The > guy who > will be doing that work has a suggestion that we make the rear glass > out of > Lexan (I'll pass on the postings here) and have it hinge up - he is > the > fabrication guy so I am not quite sure how he would do that but we > will > certainly come to some agreement before biting into that though it > would > make access better. He is also a fan of showing off the motor and is > suggesting we install a clear divider behind the seats - his idea, not > something he has seen - and forgoing the panels altogether except for > directly behind the seats. > > So, I have three questions: Is anyone running a hinged Lexan rear > window on > the street? And is there a difference in the interior temperature > (more > noisy being a given) with the clear "firewall" as opposed to the > more-or-less standard engine cover? Lastly, is there a > recommendation for a > particular power window kit for the rear side glasses? > > I'll post in a few days some photos of the air intake under the > front bumper > and the front wheelwells to answer some questions about how Mike > finished > those areas - I am no computer guy so wish me luck. > > The car itself is a blast to drive, I've replaced the leaking header > gaskets, changed the shifter handle to clear my long legs, and am > trying to > sort out the rear taillight wiring which seems to be out of whack. > I see > the need for different springs, front and rear, and perhaps some > adjustable > shocks - I am not a big fan of multiple spring spacers. > > Thanks... > Lonnie Campbell > > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From jim.acker at comcast.net Sat Dec 13 19:20:30 2008 From: jim.acker at comcast.net (Jim Acker) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:20:30 -0800 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Message-ID: <20081214001511.E63C4378BB@tiger.skiblack.com> I really don't mean to sound like an advertising agency for Arch Evans, but he and his buddies in SoCal have done all this. In addition to his Lexan rear window, which can be hinged, he and his buddies in the South Coast Corsa Chapter in SoCal all run firewalls with Lexan upper sections. I would encourage al of you to contact Arch, or any of the other members of that chapter and look at their cars. They have some beautiful V8 Corvairs and Arch is trying to take the best of their ideas and make products from them. I used the air dam most of them use for the front air supply to the radiator and I have also copied the license plate intake most of them use. Good guys, nice cars and they have answes to many of the commonly asked questions on this site. Jim Acker From GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com Sat Dec 13 21:44:26 2008 From: GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com (GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:44:26 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Message-ID: **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com Sat Dec 13 21:49:44 2008 From: GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com (GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:49:44 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Message-ID: Lonnie: Thanksf for the update! One of my Crown cars had a plexiglass divider from the ceiling down to the top of the interior/engine divider. LOTS of heat came my way, so I am thinking of a plexiglass flat cover. I am going to use some heat barrier material on the interior/engine divider. I also had the headers Jet Hot coated to try and reduce the temperature in the engine compartment. There are 2 fans back there too, directed to push air out by the headers. I haven't fired the engine since getting the headers coated. I am thinking that Mikie used the Clarks V8 front springs, (with 1 coil cut????), and I am not really sure which rear springs he used. I have stock rear springs on one of my cars, but I am about to replace them with factory original HD springs. I would love to see a hinged lexan rear window!! Gary **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From ricknorris at suddenlink.net Sun Dec 14 08:32:33 2008 From: ricknorris at suddenlink.net (Rick Norris) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:32:33 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass References: Message-ID: <1C3D65347B2245A6AC0E32F1E1B03DA6@RICK> Check out Chuck Rust's V8 Vair. Hinged Lexan back glass. http://www.v8vairs.com/images/RustChuck/chuckrust.htm Rick Norris #36 Sunoco Corvair www.corvairalley.com > Lonnie: > > Thanksf for the update! > > One of my Crown cars had a plexiglass divider from the ceiling down to the > top of the interior/engine divider. LOTS of heat came my way, so I am > thinking of a plexiglass flat cover. > > I am going to use some heat barrier material on the interior/engine > divider. > I also had the headers Jet Hot coated to try and reduce the temperature > in > the engine compartment. There are 2 fans back there too, directed to > push > air out by the headers. I haven't fired the engine since getting the > headers > coated. > > I am thinking that Mikie used the Clarks V8 front springs, (with 1 coil > cut????), and I am not really sure which rear springs he used. I have > stock rear > springs on one of my cars, but I am about to replace them with factory > original HD springs. > > I would love to see a hinged lexan rear window!! > > Gary > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release Date: > 12/12/2008 6:59 PM > > From lmharley at truvista.net Sun Dec 14 13:51:22 2008 From: lmharley at truvista.net (Lonnie M. Campbell) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:51:22 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass In-Reply-To: <1C3D65347B2245A6AC0E32F1E1B03DA6@RICK> References: <1C3D65347B2245A6AC0E32F1E1B03DA6@RICK> Message-ID: <002701c95e1c$f61423a0$e23c6ae0$@net> Re the Chuck Rust rear window, it appears that the material he used is quite flexible, which is seen by the bend in the window at the prop rod as he reaches into the engine bay. Any idea as to the thickness? In order to keep up the stock appearance I would want to incorporate the window trim which would add stiffness but nevertheless..... Lonnie -----Original Message----- From: v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf Of Rick Norris Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:33 AM To: discussion of non-stock engines in Corvairs Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass Check out Chuck Rust's V8 Vair. Hinged Lexan back glass. http://www.v8vairs.com/images/RustChuck/chuckrust.htm Rick Norris #36 Sunoco Corvair www.corvairalley.com > Lonnie: > > Thanksf for the update! > > One of my Crown cars had a plexiglass divider from the ceiling down to the > top of the interior/engine divider. LOTS of heat came my way, so I am > thinking of a plexiglass flat cover. > > I am going to use some heat barrier material on the interior/engine > divider. > I also had the headers Jet Hot coated to try and reduce the temperature > in > the engine compartment. There are 2 fans back there too, directed to > push > air out by the headers. I haven't fired the engine since getting the > headers > coated. > > I am thinking that Mikie used the Clarks V8 front springs, (with 1 coil > cut????), and I am not really sure which rear springs he used. I have > stock rear > springs on one of my cars, but I am about to replace them with factory > original HD springs. > > I would love to see a hinged lexan rear window!! > > Gary > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release Date: > 12/12/2008 6:59 PM > > _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From ricknorris at suddenlink.net Sun Dec 14 19:56:13 2008 From: ricknorris at suddenlink.net (Rick Norris) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:56:13 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass References: <1C3D65347B2245A6AC0E32F1E1B03DA6@RICK> <002701c95e1c$f61423a0$e23c6ae0$@net> Message-ID: I'm not sure what thickness he used. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lonnie M. Campbell" To: "'discussion of non-stock engines in Corvairs'" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass > Re the Chuck Rust rear window, it appears that the material he used is > quite > flexible, which is seen by the bend in the window at the prop rod as he > reaches into the engine bay. Any idea as to the thickness? In order to > keep up the stock appearance I would want to incorporate the window trim > which would add stiffness but nevertheless..... > Lonnie > > -----Original Message----- > From: v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org] On > Behalf Of Rick Norris > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:33 AM > To: discussion of non-stock engines in Corvairs > Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] test - Lexan Back Glass > > > Check out Chuck Rust's V8 Vair. Hinged Lexan back glass. > http://www.v8vairs.com/images/RustChuck/chuckrust.htm > > Rick Norris > #36 Sunoco Corvair > www.corvairalley.com > >> Lonnie: >> >> Thanksf for the update! >> >> One of my Crown cars had a plexiglass divider from the ceiling down to >> the >> top of the interior/engine divider. LOTS of heat came my way, so I am >> thinking of a plexiglass flat cover. >> >> I am going to use some heat barrier material on the interior/engine >> divider. >> I also had the headers Jet Hot coated to try and reduce the temperature >> in >> the engine compartment. There are 2 fans back there too, directed to >> push >> air out by the headers. I haven't fired the engine since getting the >> headers >> coated. >> >> I am thinking that Mikie used the Clarks V8 front springs, (with 1 coil >> cut????), and I am not really sure which rear springs he used. I have >> stock rear >> springs on one of my cars, but I am about to replace them with factory >> original HD springs. >> >> I would love to see a hinged lexan rear window!! >> >> Gary >> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and >> favorite sites in one place. Try it now. >> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) >> _______________________________________________ >> V8Vairs mailing list >> V8Vairs at corvair.org >> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs >> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, >> http://www.corvair.org/ >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release Date: >> 12/12/2008 6:59 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: > 12/13/2008 4:56 PM > > From paulsiano at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 09:55:36 2008 From: paulsiano at yahoo.com (Paul Siano) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:55:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [V8Vairs] Drag Strip Class? Message-ID: <3846.19043.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Many years ago I took my Crown conversion to the local drag strip.? I never got past the tech inspection.? They were not sure which class to put it in.? They ended up deciding to put it in an altered class which required a fire suit and a parachute which I didn't have. What has been the experience of other V-8 conversions at drag strips?? In which class were you placed? Just curious, Paul From The13Bats at aol.com Mon Dec 15 20:48:18 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:48:18 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? Message-ID: I have the kelmark, mid engineering, manta style Corvair to v8 set up, This turns the ring and pinion backwards and wears it fast, Do they or did they ever make a ring and pinion that was made for this conversion and was turning the correct way for it? thanks P. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From PatioMatt at aol.com Mon Dec 15 22:24:11 2008 From: PatioMatt at aol.com (PatioMatt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:24:11 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/2008 5:48:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, The13Bats at aol.com writes: have the kelmark, mid engineering, manta style Corvair to v8 set up, This turns the ring and pinion backwards and wears it fast, Do they or did they ever make a ring and pinion that was made for this conversion and was turning the correct way for it? ======================================== Not for the KelMarks.... Most add a lube pump to keep the gear faces wet! Just like Open Road Racers need to do.. Matt Nall Charleston, Ore. _http://tinyurl.com/D-MBigSingles_ (http://tinyurl.com/D-MBigSingles) **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 15 22:26:44 2008 From: rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net (Steve Goodman) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:26:44 -0700 Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? References: Message-ID: <002c01c95f2e$1ffa4700$57a0490c@shemp> Contact Bob Anderson of CIDCO. His email is: Rander3772 at aol.com Best, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? > I have the kelmark, mid engineering, manta style Corvair to v8 set up, > This turns the ring and pinion backwards and wears it fast, > Do they or did they ever make a ring and pinion that was made for this > conversion and was turning the correct way for it? > thanks > P. > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From The13Bats at aol.com Mon Dec 15 22:31:23 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:31:23 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? Message-ID: Well, I talked to Bob thru a few emails what he offers is a reverse cut gear that he tells me you then have to build your engine to run in counter rotation when I asked his price on this set up he never wrote back, So that isnt really what I was talking about and his view is my set up is a dead end anyway so I was hoping for other opinions and info because there are a lot of Manta fellows with corvair gearboxes driving their cars In a message dated 12/15/2008 10:27:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net writes: Contact Bob Anderson of CIDCO. His email is: Rander3772 at aol.com Best, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? > I have the kelmark, mid engineering, manta style Corvair to v8 set up, > This turns the ring and pinion backwards and wears it fast, > Do they or did they ever make a ring and pinion that was made for this > conversion and was turning the correct way for it? > thanks > P. > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 15 22:43:25 2008 From: rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net (Steve Goodman) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:43:25 -0700 Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? References: Message-ID: <003e01c95f30$74a04820$57a0490c@shemp> The only way to correct the rotation of the gearbox is to use the reverse cut r/p and Bob's pinion shaft. Turning the engine backwards isn't a big deal when as you rebuild it. Otherwise you are stuck with the gearbox turning backwards. I think you could squirt oil at the r/p and bearings and maybe even inside the transmission too, that would all help when running the gears backward. I don't see that you have any other choices unless I am missing something. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? > > Well, > I talked to Bob thru a few emails what he offers is a reverse cut gear that > he tells me you then have to build your engine to run in counter rotation > when I asked his price on this set up he never wrote back, > So that isnt really what I was talking about and his view is my set up is a > dead end anyway so I was hoping for other opinions and info because there are > a lot of Manta fellows with corvair gearboxes driving their cars > > In a message dated 12/15/2008 10:27:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net writes: > > Contact Bob Anderson of CIDCO. His email is: Rander3772 at aol.com > > Best, Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:48 PM > Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? > > > > I have the kelmark, mid engineering, manta style Corvair to v8 set up, > > This turns the ring and pinion backwards and wears it fast, > > Do they or did they ever make a ring and pinion that was made for this > > conversion and was turning the correct way for it? > > thanks > > P. > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > > > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 > 010) > > _______________________________________________ > > V8Vairs mailing list > > V8Vairs at corvair.org > > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, > http://www.corvair.org/ > > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From The13Bats at aol.com Mon Dec 15 22:47:19 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:47:19 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? Message-ID: Hum, Do you know the cost of the parts bob offers as he never got back to me, So you use reverse cut gears AND have to reverse the engine, Why didn't someone make gears that worked with a stock rotation engine wouldn't that have made more sense? In a message dated 12/15/2008 10:44:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net writes: The only way to correct the rotation of the gearbox is to use the reverse cut r/p and Bob's pinion shaft. Turning the engine backwards isn't a big deal when as you rebuild it. Otherwise you are stuck with the gearbox turning backwards. I think you could squirt oil at the r/p and bearings and maybe even inside the transmission too, that would all help when running the gears backward. I don't see that you have any other choices unless I am missing something. Steve **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 15 22:58:01 2008 From: rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net (Steve Goodman) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:58:01 -0700 Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? References: Message-ID: <004601c95f32$7e601780$57a0490c@shemp> I don't know a present cost from CIDCO, I would suggest asking again. If you are thinking of just flipping the ring gear to the other side like a VW, that won't work with the Corvair, no room inside the diff and the hypoid gears won't work like that. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? > > Hum, > Do you know the cost of the parts bob offers as he never got back to me, > So you use reverse cut gears AND have to reverse the engine, > Why didn't someone make gears that worked with a stock rotation engine > wouldn't that have made more sense? > > In a message dated 12/15/2008 10:44:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net writes: > > The only way to correct the rotation of the gearbox is to use the > reverse cut r/p and Bob's pinion shaft. Turning the engine backwards > isn't a big deal when as you rebuild it. Otherwise you are stuck with > the gearbox turning backwards. > > I think you could squirt oil at the r/p and bearings and maybe even > inside the transmission too, that would all help when running the > gears backward. > > I don't see that you have any other choices unless I am missing > something. > > Steve > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 010) > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From The13Bats at aol.com Mon Dec 15 23:02:30 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:02:30 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? Message-ID: I am guessing that bob would want so much for his stuff I would just step up to one of the reworked porsche trannies that hold big HP and your engine turns normal, I just wonder what all the manta boys are using In a message dated 12/15/2008 10:59:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rearengine.steve at worldnet.att.net writes: don't know a present cost from CIDCO, I would suggest asking again. If you are thinking of just flipping the ring gear to the other side like a VW, that won't work with the Corvair, no room inside the diff and the hypoid gears won't work like that. Steve **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From Sethracer at aol.com Tue Dec 16 00:53:13 2008 From: Sethracer at aol.com (Sethracer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:53:13 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] was there every a ring and pinion that did work? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/2008 7:47:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, The13Bats at aol.com writes: Hum, Do you know the cost of the parts bob offers as he never got back to me, So you use reverse cut gears AND have to reverse the engine, Why didn't someone make gears that worked with a stock rotation engine wouldn't that have made more sense? Well - reverse-rotating the V8 motor - if you have the "Traditional" Chevy V8 (pre LT1/LS1) - isn't that hard. (Thank you Marine Engine designers) Remember that the "reversed-cut' R&P was made to allow a mid-engined CORVAIR motor - as in the Monza GT, not a V8 installation. Seth Emerson C's the Day! - Corvair, Camaro, Corvette **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From larry at 3kittys.com Tue Dec 16 11:23:44 2008 From: larry at 3kittys.com (Larry) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:23:44 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] Drag Strip Class? In-Reply-To: <3846.19043.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <3846.19043.qm@web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4947D610.1090307@3kittys.com> I am probably the least qualified to answer your question since I've only run my Torvair once on the strip at Lebanon Valley NY. When I pulled into tech, they asked me what times I expected to turn. Since I had no idea I put myself in the 14-15 second class. There were no specific safety requirements other than the norm like battery hold down. They did not even require a helmet! I only did two test runs with my best being a 14.0 at 100 mph. This is on street tires, street start from the line and hesitating to be sure I had traction. If I had dipped into the 13's, a helmet was required. since I'm an old road racer, I wore a helmet and driving suit that I already have. You can never be over protected. My understanding is the the Crown conversion can easily get into the 12's. Maybe your local track is different. This was a bracket racing event. A roll cage (and /or safety cage), helmet, fire resistant gloves, socks, shoes and suit are good to have regardless of the class you run. Yuo can get a nice class 1 fire suit and such for about $300 plus helmet. Get a full face type. Open face have minimal protection. A parachute is way overkill. my $ .02 Larry Paul Siano wrote: > Many years ago I took my Crown conversion to the local drag strip. I never got past the tech inspection. They were not sure which class to put it in. They ended up deciding to put it in an altered class which required a fire suit and a parachute which I didn't have. > > What has been the experience of other V-8 conversions at drag strips? In which class were you placed? > > Just curious, > > Paul > > > > > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ > > > From paulsiano at yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 10:51:29 2008 From: paulsiano at yahoo.com (Paul Siano) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:51:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [V8Vairs] Drag Strip Class? In-Reply-To: <4947D610.1090307@3kittys.com> Message-ID: <694115.68891.qm@web45002.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I guess V-8 Corvair conversions are different enough that they can run in different classes depending on the driver's wish, to some degree, and the opinion of the tech inspectors which may vary from track to track.? I may try again when I finish my car. (again)? I agree that putting a V-8 Corvair in an altered class which requires a parachute and a fire suit was overkill.? It should be noted that I like to run my car without an engine cover which means there is no firewall, which may have been a factor in their decision.? Driving it is a little like flying in an open cockpit airplane rather than flying in an airliner. Thanks for responding, Paul --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Larry wrote: From: Larry Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] Drag Strip Class? To: "discussion of non-stock engines in Corvairs" Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:23 AM I am probably the least qualified to answer your question since I've only run my Torvair once on the strip at Lebanon Valley NY. When I pulled into tech, they asked me what times I expected to turn. Since I had no idea I put myself in the 14-15 second class. There were no specific safety requirements other than the norm like battery hold down. They did not even require a helmet! I only did two test runs with my best being a 14.0 at 100 mph. This is on street tires, street start from the line and hesitating to be sure I had traction. If I had dipped into the 13's, a helmet was required. since I'm an old road racer, I wore a helmet and driving suit that I already have. You can never be over protected. My understanding is the the Crown conversion can easily get into the 12's. Maybe your local track is different. This was a bracket racing event. A roll cage (and /or safety cage), helmet, fire resistant gloves, socks, shoes and suit are good to have regardless of the class you run. Yuo can get a nice class 1 fire suit and such for about $300 plus helmet. Get a full face type. Open face have minimal protection. A parachute is way overkill. my $ .02 Larry Paul Siano wrote: > Many years ago I took my Crown conversion to the local drag strip. I never got past the tech inspection. They were not sure which class to put it in. They ended up deciding to put it in an altered class which required a fire suit and a parachute which I didn't have. > > What has been the experience of other V-8 conversions at drag strips? In which class were you placed? > > Just curious, > > Paul > > > > > _______________________________________________ > V8Vairs mailing list > V8Vairs at corvair.org > http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs > This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From larry at larryboardman.com Thu Dec 18 13:30:54 2008 From: larry at larryboardman.com (Larry) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:30:54 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] Drag Strip Class? In-Reply-To: <694115.68891.qm@web45002.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <694115.68891.qm@web45002.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494A96DE.8030008@larryboardman.com> Hi Paul: Running without the cover would be a problem. In my case, the track required the windows to be closed and you know how hot it gets in there! Larry Paul Siano wrote: > I guess V-8 Corvair conversions are different enough that they can > run in different classes depending on the driver's wish, to some degree, > and the opinion of the tech inspectors which may vary from track to > track. I may try again when I finish my car. (again) I agree that > putting a V-8 Corvair in an altered class which requires a parachute > and a fire suit was overkill. It should be noted that I like to run my car without an engine cover which means there is no firewall, which may have been a factor in their decision. Driving it is a little like flying in an open cockpit airplane rather than flying in an airliner. > > > > > From The13Bats at aol.com Sun Dec 21 17:49:47 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:49:47 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brakes? Message-ID: I am sure this is a novice question 101 but what is the best way to add rear discs to the vair? Many thanks P. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From Sethracer at aol.com Sun Dec 21 19:16:01 2008 From: Sethracer at aol.com (Sethracer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:16:01 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brake setups Message-ID: In a message dated 12/21/2008 2:50:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, The13Bats at aol.com writes: I am sure this is a novice question 101 but what is the best way to add rear discs to the vair? Many thanks P. "Best" is quite relative. (Just ask my relatives!) First you should determine the usage for the car. If you will be really racing the car, then the rear brakes should be converted as a part of the complete braking system. In that case the rear design will depend on the front disks you will be using and the tire/wheel combination. If the car is almost entirely a street car - then you have to determine why you want to switch to discs on the rear at all. But if you will be doing some high speed driving - on the track or on the street (!) than a conversion is workable. If you want to retain a parking brake, then the easiest way is to go with a caliper that also provides a mechanically actuated clamping force. The Cadillac/Old/Buick H-body will do this - but has a reputation for finicky adjustment and operation. (And a bi*ch to bleed!) Both Clarks and Corvair underground sell a rear disk brake conversion kit using, I believe, the GM Cadillac caliper. SSBC makes an aftermarket replacement that is a bolt in replacement, at least it bolts right onto to the Cadillac bracket after you have modified the bracket's hole pattern to match the trailing arm bolt pattern. A reasonable easy job. The 93-97 Camaro (Z28 and Y87 option) uses a smaller combo rear caliper. According to a reliable source, they are too small for the rear of the Corvair. The Camaro has a lot less weight on the rear brakes - especially when hard braking! If you want to try it, I have a complete, never-used, setup. The Cad caliper and the SSBC replacement both match the 1" thick 10.5" diameter rotor which is the easiest to match to the Corvair. The most common one supplied is the S10 truck 4WD front. I use these all around on my car. A couple of mods must be done to use these rotors. Both the front and rear Corvair wheel hubs flanges are slightly too large to fit into the rotor. The front is fairly easy, but the rear hub carriers have to be disassembled to cut the OD down. In addition the small shoulder that centers the drum has to be removed, front and rear. The SSBC front "GM Metric" replacement caliper will also fit into the Cadillac Caliper bracket. Of course, those do not have a parking brake. That is what I am running on my race car. Fronts and rear are the same, lefts are rights are mirror images. I am working on a secondary method for a parking brake. SSBC sells a small spot brake for mechanical application. I am working on adding that to the Cadillac caliper bracket. It should work with the stock parking brake lever. Note - It will not be an "Emergency" brake! Just for parking. Any specific questions, just ask. Seth Emerson C's the Day! - Corvair, Camaro, Corvette, Calipers **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From The13Bats at aol.com Sun Dec 21 19:33:31 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:33:31 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brake setups Message-ID: The car is a mid engineering chassis with kit car body and corvair tranny with chevy v8 that in time will be swapped for a buick v6 If I said I will be doing anything with the car besides driving cruising and showing I would be posing, This is not a racer and will never even see hard pushing on the street much less ever even get on a track...I am lame but honest. You have that complete camaro set up that interests me but you have heard its too small for this application, Would it brake "as good" as the stock corvair drums that are on there, in other words is it too small to make it a race upgrade but if a person just likes discs over drums would it fit that bill? If so how much you need for it and what all does it come with? Thanks P. In a message dated 12/21/2008 7:16:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Sethracer at aol.com writes: In a message dated 12/21/2008 2:50:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, The13Bats at aol.com writes: I am sure this is a novice question 101 but what is the best way to add rear discs to the vair? Many thanks P. "Best" is quite relative. (Just ask my relatives!) First you should determine the usage for the car. If you will be really racing the car, then the rear brakes should be converted as a part of the complete braking system. In that case the rear design will depend on the front disks you will be using and the tire/wheel combination. If the car is almost entirely a street car - then you have to determine why you want to switch to discs on the rear at all. But if you will be doing some high speed driving - on the track or on the street (!) than a conversion is workable. If you want to retain a parking brake, then the easiest way is to go with a caliper that also provides a mechanically actuated clamping force. The Cadillac/Old/Buick H-body will do this - but has a reputation for finicky adjustment and operation. (And a bi*ch to bleed!) Both Clarks and Corvair underground sell a rear disk brake conversion kit using, I believe, the GM Cadillac caliper. SSBC makes an aftermarket replacement that is a bolt in replacement, at least it bolts right onto to the Cadillac bracket after you have modified the bracket's hole pattern to match the trailing arm bolt pattern. A reasonable easy job. The 93-97 Camaro (Z28 and Y87 option) uses a smaller combo rear caliper. According to a reliable source, they are too small for the rear of the Corvair. The Camaro has a lot less weight on the rear brakes - especially when hard braking! If you want to try it, I have a complete, never-used, setup. The Cad caliper and the SSBC replacement both match the 1" thick 10.5" diameter rotor which is the easiest to match to the Corvair. The most common one supplied is the S10 truck 4WD front. I use these all around on my car. A couple of mods must be done to use these rotors. Both the front and rear Corvair wheel hubs flanges are slightly too large to fit into the rotor. The front is fairly easy, but the rear hub carriers have to be disassembled to cut the OD down. In addition the small shoulder that centers the drum has to be removed, front and rear. The SSBC front "GM Metric" replacement caliper will also fit into the Cadillac Caliper bracket. Of course, those do not have a parking brake. That is what I am running on my race car. Fronts and rear are the same, lefts are rights are mirror images. I am working on a secondary method for a parking brake. SSBC sells a small spot brake for mechanical application. I am working on adding that to the Cadillac caliper bracket. It should work with the stock parking brake lever. Note - It will not be an "Emergency" brake! Just for parking. Any specific questions, just ask. Seth Emerson **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From ricknorris at suddenlink.net Sun Dec 21 19:33:51 2008 From: ricknorris at suddenlink.net (Rick Norris) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:33:51 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brake setups References: Message-ID: > "Best" is quite relative. (Just ask my relatives!) Okay, what time does the Zoo open???GG! TLH From vairmech at aol.com Mon Dec 22 08:25:02 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:25:02 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brakes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB324FD48A4350-166C-61F@WEBMAIL-DF20.sysops.aol.com> ??? Call a Vendor, order and then bolt them on. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com -----Original Message----- From: The13Bats at aol.com To: v8vairs at corvair.org Sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 5:49 pm Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brakes? I am sure this is a novice question 101 but what is the best way to add rear discs to the vair? Many thanks P. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From The13Bats at aol.com Mon Dec 22 11:29:17 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:29:17 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brakes? Message-ID: Thanks , but someone gave me a bit more detailed reply to this In a message dated 12/22/2008 8:25:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vairmech at aol.com writes: ??? Call a Vendor, order and then bolt them on. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From patiomatt at aol.com Mon Dec 22 17:58:31 2008 From: patiomatt at aol.com (Matt Nall) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:58:31 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brakes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB329FF19EE0CA-4D4-B50@WEBMAIL-MY01.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- Thanks , but someone gave me a bit more detailed reply to this ======================== In a message dated 12/22/2008 8:25:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vairmech at aol.com writes: ??? Call a Vendor, order and then bolt them on. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com ======================================== Could you share with us what you were told? Matt From vairmech at aol.com Tue Dec 23 11:34:37 2008 From: vairmech at aol.com (Ken Hand) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:34:37 -0500 Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brakes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB33337AC73D85-11B4-721@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> ???? I know, I read Seth's description and it is right on track but you asked a simple question and you got a simple answer, LOL. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com -----Original Message----- From: The13Bats at aol.com To: v8vairs at corvair.org Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:29 am Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] rear disc brakes? Thanks , but someone gave me a bit more detailed reply to this In a message dated 12/22/2008 8:25:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vairmech at aol.com writes: ??? Call a Vendor, order and then bolt them on. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) _______________________________________________ V8Vairs mailing list V8Vairs at corvair.org http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/v8vairs This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/ From The13Bats at aol.com Tue Dec 23 12:41:47 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:41:47 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brakes? Message-ID: Seth's answer was what I was seeking, I belong to many car forums, some I started, some I mod on and some I just post on and I learned long ago that many times when a person posts a question it can mean different things to different people. For example if a newbie into vettes asked me where to get a replacement stock brake set up I would give him the link to vette brakes, if they wanted a restoration part I would send them to Ecklers and explain that I have used them over 20 years, If a VW fan asked me where to get a part specific to V'W's I would provide him with links to the various VW parts houses I do business with, But I do understand the world of Internet forums very well and know while some people take that extra step to help like seth did others just like to be wise apples and get in a little posts that add nothing besides getting themselves seen and heard, some people do like attention. Thanks for all. Cheers, P. In a message dated 12/23/2008 11:35:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vairmech at aol.com writes: ???? I know, I read Seth's description and it is right on track but you asked a simple question and you got a simple answer, LOL. Ken Hand 248-613-8586 www.corvairmechanic.com **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From The13Bats at aol.com Tue Dec 23 23:01:15 2008 From: The13Bats at aol.com (The13Bats at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:01:15 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] rear disc brakes? Message-ID: Some member is a smart ass to me you should be telling him to chill out and if he cant help a person to keep his lame comments to himself, I guess he gets away with it because he is your "buddy" other members warn me of him in private and that you will do just this type thing then you in some hitler dictator way threaten me, so kick me off I will live, you sound like that fellow Matt on the other corvair forum taking all the fun out of that forum, Have you ever wondered why people seldom post here and when they do there is no car crafter camaraderie and fun? It's because of this type attitude you have...this is a corvair forum belonging to it's members not your personal little podium to flex your cyber dictatorship Merry Chrismas and happy holidays, Cheers, P. In a message dated 12/23/2008 10:47:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, martyscarr at gmail.com writes: Hi P You wrote: --------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But I do understand the world of Internet forums very well and know while some people take that extra step to help like seth did others just like to be wise apples and get in a little posts that add nothing besides getting themselves seen and heard, some people do like attention. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- I am the moderator of this group, and I am asking you to tone it down a bit. This is the second time you have posted with an attitude, and I don't think that's necessary. My advice is to chill if you don't like the answer. Marty Scarr **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From martyscarr at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 23:33:18 2008 From: martyscarr at gmail.com (Marty Scarr) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:33:18 -0800 Subject: [V8Vairs] Thanks to You Message-ID: Hey Guys I want to thank all of you for being a great group: Knowledgeable, cooperative and sharing. There has been a great amount of good info here on this list over the years, and I hope you have all had fun with your cars - I know I have. I like to keep things positive, and rarely do I have to ask anyone to behave themselves. However, twice now, "The13Bats" has been rude in response to his queries for information, and I asked him to tone it down. His reply to me indicated he no longer wishes to participate in our discussions. Now, back to our regular program. Best Wishes for a great holiday! Marty Scarr From GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com Thu Dec 25 21:32:15 2008 From: GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com (GnKHOFFMAN at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:32:15 EST Subject: [V8Vairs] Thanks to You Message-ID: Thanks for putting such a great page/group sharing together. In fact, I cut short the trip to the in-laws by coming home this evening, so that tomorrow morning, bright and early, I will be out working on one of my Crown cars (that I took off the road 15 months ago to do a simple timing chain cover oil seal replacement on, and it has turned into a major re-ferb job)! I can't wait to get it back on the road again. Gary Hoffman p.s. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! In a message dated 12/23/2008 8:33:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, martyscarr at gmail.com writes: Hey Guys I want to thank all of you for being a great group: Knowledgeable, cooperative and sharing. There has been a great amount of good info here on this list over the years, and I hope you have all had fun with your cars - I know I have. I like to keep things positive, and rarely do I have to ask anyone to behave themselves. However, twice now, "The13Bats" has been rude in response to his queries for information, and I asked him to tone it down. His reply to me indicated he no longer wishes to participate in our discussions. Now, back to our regular program. Best Wishes for a great holiday! Marty Scarr **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From source at adnc.com Wed Dec 31 06:38:38 2008 From: source at adnc.com (David C. Herrin III) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:38:38 -0800 Subject: [V8Vairs] Extended Sales - Advertisment Message-ID: Happy New Year ! I am ever slowly and very carefully returning to work. As I have not been readily available for most of 2008 - I will accept orders at the SALE prices found in the Corsa Communique for the last quarter of 2008 till 01/31/09: September 2008 - RS & US Dual Master Cylinder Kits Pass. & FC October 2008 - US 2021 Corsa Enterprises Front Spoilers November 2008 - US EOEIA = Capacitive Discharge Ignition System December 2008 - US HEI-I & US HEI -II Limited to Stock on Hand Please January 2009 - US HT7181 Ultra Series "Deep Dimple" Corvair Lifters reg. $ 99.95 Sale $ 79.95 Warning these may be the Last ! Manufacturer is probably defunct. Losing our manufacturers to the "Third World" and the Economy Detailed Product Bulletins are available for most of our popular items. I would like additional "beta" testers for our Ultra Series "Black & Gold Kevlar" High Performance / Severe Service Brake Shoes esp. want Early and FC vehicles - "Intro" pricing for those qualified evaluators; preference for our Ultra Series "Street Kevlar" users. I could also use some federal bailout funds ... +100 new high quality products stalled for lack of funding. Of course - Nothing from the Third World. David The Source, Inc. 13975 Mira Montana, Del Mar, CA. 92014-3113 Telephone: 858/259-1520 (machine) Voice Mail and Fax: 858/259-3843 Web: www.thesourceparts.com E-Mail: source at adnc.com