<VV> Phony ponies

Chuck Kubin dreamwoodck at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 15 13:12:51 EST 2005

We're talking about the same two groups of sellers. The two generic categories are realistic, honest people who took the time to learn about and care for their cars, and those who have really warped ides about cars, value and the state of YOUR intelligence.
Most in the first group are smart enough to be realistic in their descriptions, knowing that you, too, are also probably smarter than the average bear. You've got me wrong if you think I'm going after the honest seller, and by honest I include those who are smart enough to just say "I don't know." when they don't.
Those in the second group are the ones you describe as dealers and scammers. They see "Corvair" and figure they've just had a gold mine handed to them. They expect we are stupid enough to fall for bullshit and shower them with money. You know where you stand as soon as your first intelligent, Corvair-savvy question exposes them as a moron who somehow got his head filled with two ideas: 1) he based his price on less than a SWAG (Scientific Wild-Ass Guess) and 2) he won't even accept a reasonable offer or reasonable explanation of why this "incredibly rare" valve cover isn't worth $150.
You are right about the descrioptions as a giveaway clue. Real Corvair owners don't call it a flat 6 or think you restore a car by installing some engine other than what went in at the factory. Ask them which machine shop turned the crank or ask to see a parts receipt and you'll get the first clue of how much effort went into the "restoration."
Isn't it amazing how many rare and valuable treasures are a mouse house until someone wants to buy it? A trip to the car wash isn't an overhaul.
I got my ideas by looking at and hearing about hundreds of cars since buying my first car, a '64 Monza bought in late '69 as school transportation. The o-ring "overhaul," V8s in the front, Krylon presale overhaul and engine hosedown are all things I've either seen or heard too many times. 
By the way, I've just been told about a really rare Corvair SUV that isn't an Ultra or a Greenbrier, just sitting on a farm next to a coupe with an equally rare 5-cylinder engine. They are in really excellent condition and the guy who told me was sure I could get both of them at a great price. I'm told the 250+ mile round trip will really be worth it, and I should bring my checkbook and tow bar before someone else snaps them up.
I'll be the original owners were Kennedys.
Chuck Kubin

----Where do you get these ideas? SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!! 
Haven't you been reading the posts here on VV or other forums?
MOST today are extremely THOROUGH when it comes to working on a car....IMO 
the reason so many are not on the road after YEARS of work...any visit to 
any Corvair function will prove this....just look at the cars!!
If your talking about EBAY SELLERS.....read the ads! MOST know nothing of 
the cars....when there's no VIN or Mileage shown...doesn't it tell you the 
person hasn't even seen the car? How many look like they've just been pulled 
out of a barn? but are sitting in front of a nice house?
Just like the other day..." getting BACK into Vairs after 20 yrs...looking 
for a RESTORED [ returned to factory condition] flat 6 OR v6 OR v8!!!
What does this tell you? The persons a dealer..... a scammer.......or 
someone that's NEVER been around Corvairs! They didn't even have a MODEL that is 
desireable.....I used to answer these emails..but found the people were always 
dealers / scammers...

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