<VV> Vendor Bashing

J R Read_HML hmlinc at sbcglobal.net
Sat Oct 22 17:33:38 EDT 2005

Actually, Joe...

 It was not I who withheld the name of the vendor in the exchange which took 
place - what, about 2 weeks ago.  Let's try to keep the facts straight.  I 
was simply supporting the position of the actual poster - I forget who it 
was at this point - to do so.

If I recall correctly, you were pressing for the poster to reveal the name. 
There were at least two requests on your part.  I don't recall ever seeing 
the answer - in terms of the name being revealed.  If it was, I never saw 
it - and don't care if I ever do.

I'm sure that I have posted vendor names in various past exchanges.  So, I'm 
not really opposed to it.  What bothered me at the time was the way in which 
you continued to press for the information when it seemed fairly obvious 
that the poster had no intention to provide it.

I hope this provides you with a satisfactory explanation.  I'm responding in 
the public area only because that is where you pose the question.  I do not 
intend to bore the other VV members further on this, so if there is more you 
would like to say on it, please send privately.

Have a nice day.

Attachments (if any) are scanned with anti-virus software.

Later, JR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "N. Joseph Potts" <pottsf at msn.com>
To: "Bryan Blackwell" <bryan at skiblack.com>; "Corvair List" 
<virtualvairs at skiblack.com>
Cc: "Garth Stapon" <stapon1 at earthlink.net>; <hmlink at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: <VV> Vendor Bashing

> Bryan -
>     The message below from JR contains what I believe may be a
> misinterpretation of the monthly Guidelines post from you. JR withholds 
> the
> name of a "major vendor" he MENTIONED without IDENTIFYING because he says
> the monthly post rules forbid it (as he interprets them). Now, I don't 
> know
> what stone the monthly post is engraved in (perhaps it's a text once acted
> on by the board of CORSA or something), or who the Supreme Court of the
> Guidelines Post might be (you? Garth?), but if you could convey to JR and 
> me
> any clarification of what constitutes "vendor bashing," I'd find it very
> helpful. For my part, IN THOSE CASES where I've been moved to post 
> reference
> to a vendor who supplied me with a part, good, defective, or just having a
> quirk in how it should be used, I've always identified who supplied it to
> me. And with full names, not initials like C, D & L, which must be 
> complete
> gobbledegook to any newbie.
>     If JR doesn't want to, he doesn't have to, but I'd prefer he said that
> rather than having us understand that our rules prohibit his doing so on 
> the
> list.
> Joe Potts
> Miami, Florida USA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J R Read_HML [mailto:hmlinc at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:33 PM
> To: N. Joseph Potts; Joe West; MarPack57 at aol.com; VV
> Subject: Re: <VV> wagon on the road
> Joe...
> The following is clipped from Bryan's monthly post.  All VV members were
> provided a copy and agreed to the terms when they joined.  Perhaps David 
> and
> Lon should review it as well?
>   - We encourage vendors to post once a month to help
>          our members find out about you.  Be sure to include your
>          company info.
>        - No vendor bashing.  If you have a great product, say why yours
>          is great.  Personal attacks are expressly forbidden.
> It seems to me that naming a vendor who had (at one time or another)
> provided a defective product (most likely manufactured by someone else)
> would fall into the "bashing" area.
> If it helps you at all, I've had "instances" of defective or failed 
> products
> from C, D, & L over the past 15 or so years.  Where the $$ were high, I
> asked for and received proper corrective action.  In other instances, I 
> did
> not bother.  The point is, naming the vendor in this instance (or any
> particular instance) does not really help anyone (vendor OR vendee).  On a
> MC, it COULD be (and I don't know the particulars) simply a matter of
> incorrect installation procedure and not a defective product at all.
> Attachments (if any) are scanned with anti-virus software.
> Later, JR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "N. Joseph Potts" <pottsf at msn.com>
> To: "Joe West" <joew at diveaz.com>; <MarPack57 at aol.com>; "VV"
> <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:07 PM
> Subject: RE: <VV> wagon on the road
>> Ed -
>>     Please name the major vendor that supplied you with two bad master
>> cylinders. You MENTIONED the vendor generally and the bad cylinders on 
>> the
>> list, so in fairness to the major vendor(s) that did NOT supply you with
>> two
>> bad master cylinders, you should post the name of the one that did to the
>> list.
>> Joe Potts
>> Miami, Florida USA
>> 1966 Corsa coupe 140hp 4-speed with A/C
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