<VV> Re: [SCG] Very early 1964 Spyder

Bill Hubbell whubbell at cox.net
Mon Oct 24 13:01:52 EDT 2005

Rich, and other,

Sorry for the confusion.  I was speaking solely of the lid over the Trunk 
(front of car) - not over the engine compartment.

To the best of my knowledge, Early 1964s (up to ?? date) used CORVAIR 
letters with flat "studs" that were retained just like the letters on the 
engine lid.  At some later date the trunk letters were switched to the round 
stud type retained by nuts.

I have examples of each style.
The Glenn Corvair (September 1963) uses the flat stud letters
My two Sedans (April 1964) uses the round stud letters.

I agree with you about the rear vent holes on the early/late 1964 Engine 
"deck lids" - mine are the same way.

Incidentally, there is an additional difference in  Engine "deck lids" for 
Early 1964 - rear weatherstrip only on the rear edge
Late 1964 - rear weatherstrip curves up around the rear corners.

It is raining outside or I would take pics to show you.

Bill Hubbell

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard W Thompson" <Richard.W.Thompson at usa.dupont.com>
To: "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at umich.edu>
Cc: <scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com>; <scg-list-bounces at tiger.skiblack.com>; 
"Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SCG] Very early 1964 Spyder

> Bill,
> Got your note and pictures of this car. Something caught my eye, though,
> about the statements around '64 deck lids and the use of round stud with
> nuts letters and flat pin letters that push in and the deck lids that
> accept them. Were you using the term trunk lid and deck lid 
> interchangeably
> in your note below?
> "The trunk lid has no C.O.R.V.A.I.R. letters, but again, this may 
> represent
> prior repair work.  For those of you who do not know 1964s, there was a
> mid-year change in Trunk lids (I don't know the exact date of the change).
> The earlier lids used letters that pressed into clips, just like on the
> engine deck lid, and had a solid underside.  Apparently this design caused
> water to be trapped and early rust to from, so the design was changed to
> letters with round studs that slipped into round holes.  The deck lid then
> has access holes on the underside to allow nuts to be attached to the
> letter studs.  I can take pictures of these differences at some other
> time."
> I am not sure what the intended meaning is, but if you weren't, I know of
> no '64 deck lids that used round pin with attaching nuts designs just 
> trunk
> lids as you began to note.
> One change though, of note that I have seen with '64 deck lids: there was
> some sort of change made with '64 deck lids in the underside venting.
> Somewhere between late November 1963 and early April 1964 cars, the eight
> ovals holes found on the underside of the rear edge of the deck lid (four
> of each found on the right and left of the deck lid spring) were changed 
> to
> only have two (one only to the right and left of the spring). My Spyder (a
> late November car) has all eight holes. My sedan, a early April car, has
> only two and my 500 coupe (a late week of July/last week of '64 model
> production) also has two holes (the stamping for the eight holes are still
> their, just not pierced through on six of them). This is an assumption on
> my part, but the eight holes might have been their to provide adequate
> draining of water through the deck lid to prevent rusting on the inside.
> But, (this presented as a possibility) it was also found that the eight
> holes let too much cool air out of the top access vents of the deck lid
> engine cooling, robbing the engine of some much needed air. Maybe that is
> why it was switched to two holes to reduce cool air loss. Any other '64
> owners see similar difference in holes in the deck lid?
> Rich
> SCG Historian

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