In a message dated 2/2/2006 5:39:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, pp2 at 6007.us writes: Consequently you can have either a "fixed head coupe" or a 'drop head coupe" neither of which is a "roadster". My vert then is a drop head sedan. Is it time to turn into a saloon ? Padgett Yes, but how does a Phaeton fit in? Regards, Bob Helt