<VV> Stolen cars, was: Registering

Thu Feb 15 18:39:45 EST 2007

I recently got lucky, when I almost bought a "flood car" 2001 Miata that was 
not registered as "salvage."

The clue, though I don't know why the car lot owner didn't fix this, was the 
silt line up to the shock towers under the hood.

Otherwise the car was spotless, but that may why he kept lowering the price 
as I tried to leave the lot.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "airvair" <airvair at richnet.net>
To: "Frank DuVal" <corvairduval at cox.net>
Cc: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>; <MACMGEO at aol.com>; "Harry Yarnell" 
<hyarnell1 at earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: <VV> Stolen cars, was: Registering

> But THAT's the problem. They can't check out the cars. Due to the
> conglomeration of 50 state licensing laws, it's easy to wash a salvage
> car title and sell it to some unsuspecting sap. Right now, lots of
> Katrina-damaged cars are being title-washed and sold in other states,
> all to unsuspecting saps. And there is nothing to stop the crooks from
> getting away with it, BECAUSE of the conglomeration of state laws. THAT
> is exactly what the proposed legislation is aimed to stop. So you better
> do a 180 and SUPPORT this legislative effort, and make sure it's written
> in a way as to allow you to do what you morally and ethically want to
> do. As I said in a previous post, there seems not to be ANY legislator
> that has a clue as to car collecting, etc. It's up to US to make sure
> that they DO find out, so that the law isn't untentionally damaging to
> the car hobby.
>
> -Mark (trying to wake people up)
>
> Frank DuVal wrote:
>>
>> I'm with you, Harry. Salvage does not mean a destroyed car put back on
>> the road as a waiting to happen death trap. It does mean something has
>> happened to it along the way and the next owner should be aware of its
>> past. This is why people are always reminded to  get a prospective used
>> car checked out by a third party. Just in case there was an unsafe
>> repair. Not all major repairs are tracked by VIN and show up in Carfax,
>> etc.
>>
>> Frank DuVal
>>
>> Harry Yarnell wrote:
>>
>> > I hope this law doesn't come to pass. At least as I understand it.
>> > I have saved many a car that had the title trail/search come up empty.
>> > Nice cars that were to be scraped without a title. Getting a salvage
>> > title made the car legit again, and it could be legally put back on
>> > the road.
>> > Case in point:
>> > I was offered a '94 Northstar Seville from my local salvage yard for
>> > $500. It was a nice car. Too good to scrap or part out. No keys; no
>> > title. Bought legally at auction for parts (because of the 'no
>> > title'). Well, attempts on my part to trace the vehicle thru the
>> > Maryland DMV, and the national data centers, including the VDP
>> > (vehicle donation program, from wence the car came), was futile. In
>> > this day of restricted personal information, nobody was able
>> > (willing?) to provide a 'last known owner'.
>> > Salvage title was applied for, and obtained. An interesting part of
>> > the salvage titling is the car has to be rollbacked to a State police
>> > inspection station where it's checked for proper vin's and any stolen
>> > reports. They sign off on the vehicle and you now have legal ownership.
>> >
>> > harry yarnell
>> > perryman garage and orphanage
>> > hyarnell1 at earthlink.net
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "airvair" <airvair at richnet.net>
>> > To: <MACMGEO at aol.com>
>> > Cc: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:20 PM
>> > Subject: <VV> Stolen cars, was: Registering
>> >
>> >
>> >> On that note, I too had a vehicle stolen once. Unfortunately, like the
>> >> Corvair, it didn't have the now-universal 17 digit VIN, so it's
>> >> untracable thru services like Carfax. A search for any stolen car is
>> >> hampered by the conglomeration of 50 state title laws, which also, 
>> >> among
>> >> other things, allow salvage vehicle titles to be washed. I see that 
>> >> one
>> >> of the things on the new Congress's adgenda is to get a uniform 
>> >> titling
>> >> law thru. Maybe once that's done, the stolen and salvage vehicle 
>> >> market
>> >> will start drying up.
>> >>
>> >> -Mark
>> >>
>> >> MACMGEO at aol.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Adding to airvairs remarks my friend and I about 6 years ago had 2
>> >>> greenbriers and an auto 65 cpe stolen within 8 months in front of
>> >>> our houses.  All 3
>> >>> were licensed.  Never showed up.  George, 3  licensed ,vairs
>> >>
>> >>
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