<VV> head ID

djtcz at comcast.net djtcz at comcast.net
Wed Nov 14 20:27:42 EST 2007


110 heads - high compression little valves
http://www.flycorvair.com/27052.jpg
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/phoenix/070223090.jpg


3D 140s
http://rbgault.com/Corvair_36L/Heads/3D_Head_2.jpg

loe comp, small valves = 95 HP
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/95hp/05080690m.jpg



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> 1. Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? (Matt Nall) 
> 2. Shrouds done...and now the brake gremlin appears (Stephen Upham) 
> 3. Re: High performance coil problem with electronic 
> ignition(1962 Monza PG) (Charles Lee) 
> 4. Re: High performance coil problem with electronic ignition 
> (1962 Monza PG) (Charles Lee) 
> 5. Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? (Ron) 
> 6. Re: cylinder heads for reliability (Frank DuVal) 
> 7. which seats are lost (djtcz at comcast.net) 
> 8. Re: which seats are lost (Harry Yarnell) 
> 9. Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? (Frank DuVal) 
> 10. Re: which seats are lost (Frank DuVal) 
> 11. 95HP heads (Clark Hartzel) 
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> Message: 1 
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:17:09 -0800 
> From: "Matt Nall" 
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? 
> To: 
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> You mean in all the years you've been wrenching on Vairs.... you were never 
> concerned wit hthe TEMP of the coil in the stock location? 
> 
> 130 is scalding to the human touch..... most electrical is designed for 
> under 120 F Heat kills ..I've been told.. 
> 
> I've never had a coil fail...but then I always, at least, make a Standoff 
> between the head and the coils clamp/ bracket.. 
> 
> 
> Matt Nall 
> All Vairs! 
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> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank DuVal" 
> 
> > Um, Matt, the other 49 states had the coils mounted on the right head for 
> > a few more years than California. I have never owned a Corvair with the 
> > coil not mounted on the head until now. My 64 A/C sedan has the coil on 
> > the engine lid latch brace. 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
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> Message: 2 
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:26:07 -0600 
> From: Stephen Upham 
> Subject: Shrouds done...and now the brake gremlin appears 
> To: Virtual Vairs 
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> Well, I got the shrouds installed by putting them on first and then 
> using a clothes hanger strategically bent to pull the thermostat arm 
> forward and place it in the slot. Once I figured out the method 
> (twenty minutes on the right side) I got the left side on in five. 
> Everything is warming up nicely now, with the temps on the heads 
> stabilizing at around 250-260 and the oil topping out at about 
> 240-250. The vent doors are opening appropriately, and I will soon 
> be ordering the bushings in order to do the shroud door mod described 
> in the Communique. 
> 
> The car is now tending to lock up on the left rear wheel when the 
> brakes are applied. It only locks completely when I emergency stop. 
> During "normal" breaking, the car tilts down on the driver's side 
> about 3/4" and I can hear what sounds like a shoe releasing sound 
> from the left rear wheel. I've tried putting it in reverse to reset 
> the adjusters. I won't be able to take the wheel off until tomorrow. 
> I'm thinking that it should be ok to drive on the city streets (no 
> more than 40 mph) tomorrow. The breaks have had a COMPLETE overhaul 
> (except the lines, but no salt ever on this car) which included 
> cylinders (complete), hoses, springs (complete), shoes, turned drums, 
> and a dual master cylinder less than 1000 miles ago. Thoughts? 
> 
> P.S. Thanks to all who responded to the shroud issue and the security 
> issue. You're the best! 
> 
> Stephen Upham 
> Dallas, Texas 
> North Texas Corvair Association 
> CORSA 
> Corvaireum // 
> 
> Mid prod. #18732 -1965 Monza Hardtop 110 PG - Sierra Tan, Saddle, A/ 
> C, AM/FM 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 3 
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:41:32 -0800 
> From: "Charles Lee" 
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem with electronic 
> ignition(1962 Monza PG) 
> To: "Dennis PLEAU" , 
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> Idles fine on start up, dies in gear. All's well with stock coil. 
> 
> Curious ... 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dennis PLEAU" 
> To: "Charles Lee" ; 
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:31 PM 
> Subject: RE: High performance coil problem with electronic 
> ignition(1962 Monza PG) 
> 
> 
> I've had nothing but problems with high perfromance coils from both Accel 
> (2) and Pertronics (3). I'm back to running stock Corvair coils and they 
> seem to fire my 0.040 gap under all conditions. I think the tempertures the 
> coils sees in the stock location breaks down the something in the coil and 
> they start missing big time. 
> 
> Dennis 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: chaz at ProperProPer.com> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org> Date: Mon, 12 
> > Nov 2007 01:25:12 -0800> Subject: High performance coil problem with 
> > electronic ignition (1962 Monza PG)> > Can anyone tell me why a 1962 
> > Corvair Monza PG with electronic ignition, running fine, but after 
> > installing a high performance coil would die when put in gear ? > > Idles 
> > fine, until shifted into gear, and then just dies.> > Any known problems 
> > ?> > Re-installing the original coil fixes the problem.> > (The car 
> > belongs to a member whose Internet is down.)> > Thanks > Charles Lee> 
> > Corsa Charter Member> 67 Monza 
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> ------------------------------ 
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> Message: 4 
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:39:56 -0800 
> From: "Charles Lee" 
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem with electronic 
> ignition (1962 Monza PG) 
> To: "Lon Wall" 
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org 
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> Um, changed the coil to improve performance ? ggg 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lon Wall" 
> To: 
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> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:28 AM 
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem with electronic ignition 
> (1962 Monza PG) 
> 
> 
> > Why did you change the coil? Lon 
> > 
> > www.corvairunderground.com 
> > 
> > BobHelt at aol.com wrote: 
> > 
> >> In a message dated 11/12/2007 2:25:49 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
> >> chaz at ProperProPer.com writes: 
> >> 
> >>Can anyone tell me why a 1962 Corvair Monza PG with electronic ignition, 
> >>running fine, but after installing a high performance coil would die when 
> >>put in gear ? 
> >>Idles fine, until shifted into gear, and then just dies. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>wrong application? 
> >> Bad coil? 
> >> Regards, 
> >>Bob Helt 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 5 
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:57:28 -0800 
> From: "Ron" 
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? 
> To: "Matt Nall" , 
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> I have never moved the coil from it's stock location and also have never had 
> one fail over the last thirty years except one time and that was when the 
> wire to the distributor shorted out. I guess that bad aftermarket coils may 
> give different results but I stick with stock type coils. 
> RonH 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Matt Nall" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:17 PM 
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? 
> 
> 
> > You mean in all the years you've been wrenching on Vairs.... you were 
> > never concerned wit hthe TEMP of the coil in the stock location? 
> > 
> > 130 is scalding to the human touch..... most electrical is designed for 
> > under 120 F Heat kills ..I've been told.. 
> > 
> > I've never had a coil fail...but then I always, at least, make a Standoff 
> > between the head and the coils clamp/ bracket.. 
> > 
> > 
> > Matt Nall 
> > All Vairs! 
> > http://members.aol.com/patiomatt 
> > Lots of Corvair Technical info! 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank DuVal" 
> > 
> >> Um, Matt, the other 49 states had the coils mounted on the right head for 
> >> a few more years than California. I have never owned a Corvair with the 
> >> coil not mounted on the head until now. My 64 A/C sedan has the coil on 
> >> the engine lid latch brace. 
> > 
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> 
> ------------------------------ 
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> Message: 6 
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:49:06 -0500 
> From: Frank DuVal 
> Subject: Re: cylinder heads for reliability 
> To: shortle 
> Cc: JVHRoberts at aol.com, Virtual Vairs Submission 
> , dsjkling at sbcglobal.net 
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> Shortle: 
> 
> You have to match the heads to the pistons. Well, maybe.... 
> 
> What you call a flat combustion chamber is called "open chambered" by 
> Corvair people. This would be the 68-69 smog head shown on Clark's 
> catalog page 1. This open chamber design usually uses domed pistons to 
> get the compression right. But I may be all wet here. Maybe just the 110 
> hp uses the domed pistons. 
> 
> The 65 head with the step has the flat surface.... Some people here 
> flycut the head gasket surface smooth with this step flat surface to 
> help pining problems. But on a 95? Probably not necessary. 
> 
> OK you late model people with more experience on smog engines, what are 
> the answers to the above questions? 
> 
> Frank DuVal 
> 
> shortle wrote: 
> 
> >Allright. It's apparantly unanimous (I hope I spelled that right). I will be 
> installing 95 HP heads in my Rampside PG. But which ones? I have the 1965 with 
> fresh valve job bought from Dave's Corvair Shop in Albuquerque or I can use my 
> 1969 95 HP heads (flat combustion chamber- unlike the 1965 which has a raised 
> step)also with a fresh valve job.So again I ask, which set? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7 
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:21:16 +0000 
> From: djtcz at comcast.net 
> Subject: which seats are lost 
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org 
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> Is it always intakes? 
> 
> -- 
> Dan Timberlake 
> 
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> Message: 8 
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:12:21 -0500 
> From: "Harry Yarnell" 
> Subject: Re: which seats are lost 
> To: , "corvair" 
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> It's usually intakes 'cause they're bigger. 
> 
> harry yarnell 
> perryman garage and orphanage 
> hyarnell1 at earthlink.net 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:21 AM 
> Subject: which seats are lost 
> 
> 
> > Is it always intakes? 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Dan Timberlake 
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> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 9 
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:22:30 -0500 
> From: Frank DuVal 
> Subject: Re: High performance coil problem / Mounting????? 
> To: Matt Nall 
> Cc: virtualvairs at corvair.org 
> Message-ID: <47399706.3090109 at cox.net> 
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> 
> I was never concerned about coil temperature as coil failures are 
> extremely rare. Internal breakdown failures are the most rare. I see 
> more tower degradation from arcing damage than internal damage. Most are 
> replaced in an attempt to improve performance, with the original coil 
> being OK. 
> 
> Frank DuVal 
> 
> Matt Nall wrote: 
> 
> > You mean in all the years you've been wrenching on Vairs.... you were 
> > never concerned wit hthe TEMP of the coil in the stock location? 
> > 
> > 130 is scalding to the human touch..... most electrical is designed 
> > for under 120 F Heat kills ..I've been told.. 
> > 
> > I've never had a coil fail...but then I always, at least, make a 
> > Standoff between the head and the coils clamp/ bracket.. 
> > 
> > 
> > Matt Nall 
> > All Vairs! 
> > http://members.aol.com/patiomatt 
> > Lots of Corvair Technical info! 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DuVal" 
> > 
> >> Um, Matt, the other 49 states had the coils mounted on the right head 
> >> for a few more years than California. I have never owned a Corvair 
> >> with the coil not mounted on the head until now. My 64 A/C sedan has 
> >> the coil on the engine lid latch brace. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 10 
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:29:53 -0500 
> From: Frank DuVal 
> Subject: Re: which seats are lost 
> To: Harry Yarnell 
> Cc: djtcz at comcast.net, corvair 
> Message-ID: <473998C1.9080301 at cox.net> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 
> 
> It's also intakes because the cold air rushing by the intake seat 
> shrinks it. 
> 
> But exhaust seats do fall out, just not in the same number. 
> 
> Frank DuVal 
> 
> 
> Harry Yarnell wrote: 
> 
> > It's usually intakes 'cause they're bigger. 
> > 
> > harry yarnell 
> > perryman garage and orphanage 
> > hyarnell1 at earthlink.net 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:21 AM 
> > Subject: which seats are lost 
> > 
> > 
> >> Is it always intakes? 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Dan Timberlake 
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> ------------------------------ 
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> Message: 11 
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:14:50 -0500 
> From: "Clark Hartzel" 
> Subject: 95HP heads 
> To: "Virtual Vairs" 
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> The 1969 heads have an open chamber because they used popup pistons. I'm 
> pretty sure if you put 1969 95HP heads on an early engine with flat top 
> pistons, you will end up with about 7:1 compression. Great for cheap low 
> octane fuel but NO POWER! 
> Clark Hartzel 
> 
> 
> 
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