<VV> Non-Corvair No Start Help ! question

[corvairduval at cox.net]

OBD2 systems do not do the flashy light code retrieval. They are 5 digit
(one letter, 4 numbers) codes.

Yes, the scanner should read all codes in ECM memory without the engine
running.

The best way to test the CMPS is with a scope. Not a great answer, as it
requires another piece of equipment that's not cheap. Maybe you can borrow
one.  Maybe someone else has a suggestion on a cheap test.

Frank DuVal

Original Message:
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From:  roboman91324 at aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:58:22 EST
To: virtualvairs at corvair.org, Chaz at ProperProPer.com
Subject: <VV> Non-Corvair "No Start" Help ! question


On most modern cars with computers, you can access the  computer without 
the scanner.  The computer stores the problem errors in  memory for a 
predetermined number of car starts.  You will need to jumper  between two
contacts 
and the error codes will flash at you from the dash board  lights.  You
then 
look them up and hopefully figure out what the problem  is.  This is done 
with the ignition on but without the engine  running.  At least, that is
how 
it works with most makes of car.  Buy  a service manual from your FLAPS for 
your series of car to learn what contacts  to jumper and how to interpret
the 
codes.

snip

By the way, most scanners are capable of reading the  errors without the 
engine running.  Are you sure that yours is not capable  of this?
 
snip
 
Good luck,
 
Doc
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:25:14 -0800
From: "Charles Lee"  <Chaz at ProperProPer.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Non-Corvair "No  Start" Help ! question
To: <budpon at cs.com>,    "Louis  Armer" <carmerjr at mindspring.com>
Cc:  virtualvairs at corvair.org
Message-ID:  <F05E481847724BF899F8BC627546FEB9 at CharliePC>
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Besides my 1967 Monza, my "runner" is a 1996 Ford  Probe (sorry about the 
name there)

More to the point is that it is not  running after overheating and boiling 
over (something my Corvair NEVER did  !)

Now it runs for 5 seconds and quits just like turning off the  key.

The "probing" question is whether the camshaft sensor (in the  distributor) 
is "offline" ?

I have it on some authority that the "5  seconds" of run time is because 
the PCM/ECU starts the car with initial cam  values, and then seeks "real" 
camshaft status, finds none and shuts down. (It  runs smooth and high RPM
if I 
flex the pedal until it shuts down)

I  don't want to "shop and swap" for $300 to "test" a new distributor, 
since CMPS  is integral to it.
So, can anyone say if this is true, that the Cam sensor  is a likely 
suspect?

The car is OBD-II and I have a scanner, but can't  get it to run long 
enough to get DTC codes.

Any ideas on how to test  the "Hall-effect" CMP sensor  ?

Thanks
Charlie



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