<VV> [VV-talk] Taxes

[Bill Elliott]

That's only true for _reported_ income... something close to 20% of 
actual income is not reported and is therefore not calculated in 
"expected tax revenue". So if we can identify it, we do a good job of 
collecting it. Identifying it is the problem... which is where the 50% 
rate in the UK comes from.

Bill

jvhroberts at aol.com wrote:

>I was told once, not sure how true it is, the tax compliance rate in 
>this nation, measured as actual tax revenue vs. expected tax revenue, 
>is 94%. Apparently WE don't have much trouble collecting income taxes!
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>From: Alan and Clare Wesson <alan.wesson at atlas.co.uk>
>To: Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net>; airvair at earthlink.net; Virtual 
>Vairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 2:09 pm
>Subject: Re: <VV> [VV-talk] Taxes
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>A friend of mine who works for the British Treasury told me once that 
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>reason the government is so fond of sales taxes in general and gas tax 
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>particular is because it is much harder to evade and easier to collect 
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>income tax.
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>The collection rate for income tax is well under 50% and the number of
>allowances is breathtaking. On the other hand, the collection rate for 
>gas
>tax is 100%, the people who collect it pay all the costs, and there are 
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>So although sales tax in general and gas tax in particular are very 
>unfair
>and regressive taxes (they act disproportionately on those least able 
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>afford it), the government loves them. I suspect Senator Obama is just 
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>to work out from the example set by his nice friend Mr Brown how 
>wonderful
>gas taxes are, too.
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>Although actually the person who set the precedent of not spending gas 
>taxes
>on the roads was... Winston Churchill! So you see, he wasn't perfect!
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>And next time anyone tells you that the purpose of taxing gas is to 
>Save The
>World, you can set them straight.
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>Cheers
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>Alan
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>From: "Frank DuVal" <corvairduval at cox.net>
>To: <airvair at earthlink.net>; "Virtual Vairs" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:50 PM
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>>Mark, just me in the middle.
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>>I do not like consumption taxes (sales tax, VAT in England), but I
>>wondered why you say they are soak the working people  taxes? If I 
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>>make 20K a year, then I shouldn't spend more than 20K in a year, so my
>>tax will be based on the 20K I spent. If I make 200K a year, seems to 
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>>I will spend WAAYY more than 20K a year, so my tax paid will be VERY
>>larger! If I am unbeleiveable in frugality, and I saved 5k of my 20k,
>>then my tax base will be smaller. It encouages saving, something the
>>current tax laws do not.
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>>What's bourgeoisie about that?
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>>Frank DuVal
>>Agreeing that all taxes are paid by consumers, just as higher prices.
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>>>Consumption taxes? There you go again, trying to hide the tax load by
>>>spreading it around under different names. Thought the original 
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>>>That would require ONE tax bill, due as a lump sum. So let's get back 
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>>>Besides that, a "consumption" tax nothing but a "soak the working 
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>>>scheme. It's promoted by the filthy rich because it's a way for them 
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>>>-Mark
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