<VV> Fw: Re: The EM vs LM thing

[Bill Elliott]

If you're going to get "official", you're both wrong (well, technically, 
Ken is correct, but for the wrong reasons.):

"The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) distinguishes a coupé from a 
sedan primarily by interior volume; SAE standard J1100 defines a coupé 
as a fixed-roof automobile with less than 33 cubic feet (0.93 cubic 
meters) of rear interior volume. A car with a greater interior volume is 
technically a two-door sedan, not a coupé, even if it has only two doors."

Bill

airvair at earthlink.net wrote:

>Ken,
> 
>For someone who's as close to the auto industry as you, you are woefully
>deluded. You need to get yourself an automotive dictionary. The industry
>definition of a sedan is as I said. It has nothing to do with rows of
>seats. Under your "definitions" would removing the back seat in my 4door
>hardtop make it a coupe? I don't think so......
> 
>-Mark
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>>[Original Message]
>>From: Kenneth E Pepke <kenpepke at juno.com>
>>To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
>>Date: 4/30/2009 8:20:46 AM
>>Subject: <VV> Fw: Re:  The EM vs LM thing
>>
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>>
>>This is not all that difficult ... in North America ...
>>
>>A coupe is a vehicle with one row of seats, Period.
>>
>>A sedan is a vehicle with two rows of seats, Period.
>>
>>All Corvair cars [not to include FCs] are sedans from the factory.
>>
>>EM Corvairs came in:
>>           2 door [pillar] sedans.
>>           4 door [pillar] sedans.
>>           2 door [pillarless] convertible sedans.
>>           4 door [pillar / extended roof] sedans commonly
>>                      referred to as station wagons.
>>
>>LM Corvairs came in:
>>           2 door [pillarless] sedans commonly referred to 
>>                      as hardtops.
>>           4 door [pillarless] sedans commonly referred to
>>                      as 'sport sedans.'
>>           2 door [pillarless] convertible sedans.
>>
>>Over the years some Corvairs have been modified by
>>removing the area of the front or rear seat.  Now with one
>>row of seats these vehicles qualify as either:
>>
>>           2 door coupes [steel fixed tops and roll up windows]
>>           2 door roadsters [soft or removable top but without 
>>                      roll up windows.]
>>           2 door coupe convertibles [soft or removable top
>>                      and roll up windows.]
>>           
>>Additional modifications I have seen are:
>>            4 door sedan convertibles [soft top and roll up windows.]
>>            4 door extended wheelbase limousine [three or more rows
>>            of seats even if only two rows of seats are installed.]
>>
>>Ken P
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:09:48 -0400 "airvair at earthlink.net"
>><airvair at earthlink.net> writes:
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>>>Definately prefer late models, because they are all hardtops. None 
>>>are
>>>sedans. Hardtops are sleeker without that "B" pillar. Must be why 
>>>the
>>>hardtop was always considered the premium body style.
>>>
>>>I presently own two LM 4doors and a LM convert, all '67's. Over the 
>>>years
>>>I've owned 13 4doors, 4 convertables,  17 2doors, and 3 Greenbriers. 
>>>Only
>>>one of the 4doors was a sedan. Of those, 11 were '67's, 5 were 
>>>'69's, 11
>>>were '66's, 6 were '65's, and one each of '64 and '68 (the 'briers 
>>>were all
>>>'64's).
>>>
>>>Wouldn't mind owning a '62 Monza wagon and a '65 Greenbrier deluxe 
>>>8-door.
>>>But now I'm dreaming...... (G)
>>>
>>>-Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>[Original Message]
>>>>From: Robert Marlow <Vairtec at optonline.net>
>>>>Subject: <VV> The EM vs LM thing
>>>>
>>>>So tell me, what do you own?
>>>>
>>>>Early model only
>>>>Late model only
>>>>FC only
>>>>Early and late
>>>>Early and FC
>>>>Late and FC
>>>>Early, late and FC
>>>>
>>>>--Bob
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>      
>>>
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