<VV> Research - Black 63 Spyder Aircleaners

Sun Dec 18 19:39:58 EST 2011

Ray,

The print ads were mainly drawings (not photos of actual cars) in those 
days.  They were drawn in advance (of course) and according to what was 
perceived at the time of the drawing to be what the final product would 
actually be.  It was not uncommon to use those drawings to appear in ads 
even though they did not represent "to a T" the actual final product that 
reached the consumer.  I believe the "picture" of a print ad that you 
provided is just that - a picture of a print ad.  The ad itself was a 
drawing.

So, while you may feel that it is a "data point" in support of black air 
cleaners are stock for '63, I see it as Chevy apparently planned them to be 
stock at some point along the way - and likely at a pre-production point.

Later, JR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ramon Rodriguez III" <corvairgrymm at gmail.com>
To: "lonwall at corvairunderground.com" <corvairs at pacifier.com>; 
<virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: <VV> Research - Black 63 Spyder Aircleaners

>I also have located (and presented a copy of) a 1963 print ad for the
> Corvair that clearly shows the Spyder engine room with a black air cleaner
> housing.  That's pretty solid.
> Here it is again:
> http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/Swiftblade13/?action=view&current=63Spyderad.jpg
>
> I've also spoke with approximately five original owners of 63 Spyders who
> say they were black.  Of course, I can prove neither that they were
> original owners, nor that their memory is correct.  Still it's pretty
> compelling evidence especially given that not one person has contacted me
> and stated that they were the original owner of a 63 Spyder with a chrome
> air cleaner, while seven did exactly that and reported black.
>
> Thank you very much to all those who showed your support of my inquiries,
> as well as those who participated in my survey.  I am learning all I can
> about the Corvair, including it's history, so that I might carry the torch
> for the next generation.  I have read "The Corvair Decade", "Corvair by
> Chevrolet: Experimental and Production cars", "Corvair: A photo history",
> and others cover to cover (most numerous times).  I've started collecting
> issues of 60's magazines that have feature articles on the Corvair
> (including the Car Life reprint from Clark's), and I have just obtained
> copies of "The Classic Corvair" and Charlie "Bud" Doerge's new book "Don
> Yenko and the Yenko Stinger" and I even have a copy of "Unsafe at Any 
> Speed
> that is older than I am.   I have listened to Ralphie's speech at the 1991
> CORSA convention in it's entirety.  I have read the Robert Benzinger 
> speech
> from the 1975 convention.  I love to relate his story about the Corvair
> flywheel to my fellow hobbyists.  My next purchase (when I can afford it)
> will be "Corvair Secrets".  I can identify the year of any Corvair (Car,
> not yet FC's) given that all it's features are original, and I'm slowly
> learning more and more about how the cars are put together and how to
> repair them.  I also own copies of "How to Hotrod Corvair Engines", "How 
> to
> Keep your Corvair Alive", the CORSA tech guide 1 & 2, "Corvair Basics",
> 1961 through 1963 and 65-66 factory shop manuals, and the 1965 assembly
> manual.  I have attended the DACC Homecoming the past two years (which is
> over 550 miles from home), I managed to attend one day of the Buffalo 
> CORSA
> convention and plan to do my best to make it to the 2012 convention.   All
> of this and five Corvairs (three projects in the works and two on the 
> road)
> on a budget that probably wouldn't pay a "middle class" electric bill.
>
> All of this, at age 31.  I might ask some dumb questions and make plenty 
> of
> mistakes.  Some of you might not approve of my fat tires and loud exhaust,
> and some might look down on my amateur body and rust repairs, but I
> challenge you to find anyone more determined to carry the Corvair hobby
> into the next 50 years.
>
>
> Ray "Grymm" Rodriguez III
> Lake Ariel, PA
> 1966 Corsa 140 coupe (daily driver)
> 1965 Corsa 180 coupe (under construction)
> 1965 Corsa 140 coupe (for sale/under construction)
> 1963 Monza PG coupe (daily driver)
> 1962 Monza PG coupe (under construction)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:19 PM, lonwall at corvairunderground.com <
> corvairs at pacifier.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry Matt, but a picture of a black air cleaner on a 63 proves
>> nothing.  (That's 48 years of tampering) But you're right on the other
>> point. Getting posts confused is just part of the internet destruction
>> of proper history.
>>
>> Lon
>> www.corvairunderground.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/2011 2:58 PM, Matt Nall wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >   Ray has presented some hard evidence
>> >
>> > ======================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >    NO he didn't!!  he ASKED the question!
>> >
>> >
>> > DTerry  gave the only    substantiated evidence!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.vv.corvair.org/pipermail/virtualvairs/attachments/20111214/72e317e7/attachment.jpe
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt Nall
>> > Charleston, Oregon
>> > http://tinyurl.com/The-Patio
>> > http://tinyurl.com/Matts-Tech-Pages
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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