<VV> Classified ad: 1961 Eight Door Van SCAM

Sat Mar 26 14:54:25 EDT 2011

Excellent advice.Should be archived.

Ken
On Mar 26, 2011 12:54 PM, <RoboMan91324 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Mike,
>
> There is no doubt it is a scam for the following  reasons.
>
> 1.  Any proposed deal where they send you a "cashier's  check" for more
> than the price/deposit and then expect you to send a "third  party" the
balance
> is a scam.  They prey on people who believe that a  cashier's check or
> money order is as good as cash.  These forms of payment  are definitely
not as
> secure as people think, especially if they are issued from  a foreign
source.
>  In reality, they are actually issued from the con  man's home printer.
> What will happen is your bank will probably take  the check and release
funds
> on the assumption the check is good.  If it was  issued on a USA bank, the
> bad check would bounce in a few days but a foreign  check could take weeks
to
> return.  Of course, the check or, more  likely, wire transfer they request
> from you will have cleared before you  know you have been scammed.  You
will
> then need to pay the bank back in  full including fees and penalties.
>
> 2.  Just in general, for someone to say that you are  asking a fair price
> for something sight-unseen, is a big clue that there is a  scam.  When was
> the last time someone bought an $11,000 vehicle from you  without
dickering
> only after viewing the vehicle?
>
> 3.  The grammar and word usage in the message is often a  clue.  Your
> scammer has better usage than most but there are still a few  clues.
 These clues
> include the consistent use of double periods at the end  of each sentence.
> This is not normal US punctuation.   Next, "cos" instead of "because" is
> often used by African scammers.   Next, awkward usage such as "all
arrangement
> could be intact.." and "its  guaranteed and shall be easily cashed.." are
> not common US English usage.   Also, the use of "shall" instead if "will"
> several places is a clue that the  scammer is not a born USA English
speaker.
> Of course, nothing says that an  honest individual couldn't use this kind
of
> English especially if he was not  born here but you need to look at the
> accumulated clues and be suspicious as  they add up.
>
> You can either ignore the scammer or have some fun with  him.  You could
> tell him that you are also a marine and ask where he  trained.  He will
need
> to do a little research but then you could claim to  have trained at the
same
> camp and ask who his DI was, etc.  You could go  ahead and have the guy
> send you the "cashier's check" but obviously not cash  it.  Keep it as a
> souvenir.  If you do not want to share your address  with the scumbag,
give him a
> fictitious address.  When he contacts you in a  week or so to see why you
> did not forward the overpayment, you can discover that  your dyslexia
caused
> you to transpose the numbers in your address.  At that  point, give him a
> second fictitious address.  This will at least cost him  time and postage.
 If
> he is persistent enough to contact you again, you can  suggest that he
send
> you a wire transfer.  Obviously, do not ask for a  direct transfer to your
> bank account.  Suggest a Western Union  transfer.  At this point, he will
not
> contact you again.
>
> Be wary,
>
> Doc
>
> 1960 Corvette, 1961 Rampside, 1962 Rampside, 1964 Spyder  coupe, 1965
> Greenbrier, 1966 Canadian Corsa turbo coupe, 1967 Nova SS, 1968  Camaro
ragtop
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/25/2011 4:00:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> corvanatics-request at corvair.org writes:
>
> Message:  5
> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:23:51 -0400
> From: Michael Emanuele  <rampside1 at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: [FC] Fwd: Re: Classified ad: 1961  Eight Door Van
> To: "corvanatics at corvair.org"  <corvanatics at corvair.org>,
> VirtualVairs at corvair.org,    "virtualvairs-request at corvair.org"
> <virtualvairs-request at corvair.org>
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>
> Okay guys and  gals,
>
> I need your help with this. I have my Eight Door for  sale and
> received an e-mail after sending pictures to him at his request.  My
> issue is does this sound like a SCAM to you. It does to me. What if any
> are your thoughts and how should I proceed with this. The van is
> advertised on the CORSA site, so I guess that is where he acquired the
> info.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Mike  Emanuele
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:     Re: Classified ad: 1961 Eight Door Van
> Date:   Fri, 25 Mar 2011  08:34:53 +0000
> From:   Smith Lodge Paul  <slpaul7 at gmail.com>
> To:     Michael Emanuele  <rampside1 at roadrunner.com>
>
>
>
> Hello Michael,
>
> Thanks  for the update e-mail i do appreciate it..I'm a Marine engineer
> from GA  but 'm off shore at present
> Your asking $11,000 is fair which i will like  to make an initial deposit
> so you can be sure i'm very much  interested..
> I shall contact an agency to come over and inspect since i'm  off-shore
> as i do not know its present condition before i can send your
> balance..As for the deposit payment,my preferred is a US cashiers
> check..its guaranteed and shall be easily cashed..Being off-shore,the
> agency owns the balance to the deposit check so you keep $1,100 for the
> deposit,the fund left on the check is for the agency you send it out so
> that they can be in your location for inspection cos they making other
> vital inspections and deliveries for me..
> You provide me your full  name,address and phone # so that the check can
> be mailed to you..
> I  shall be back in 3 weeks,but then my regiment will be deployed to Iraq
> and  I shall stay there for a while.
> You would have all your money in your hand  after inspection is completed
> before title is released and shipped  okay..I'll give you a call once i
> get onshore like wise the agent so that  all arrangement could be
> intact..The best way to contact me is via email  as I'm always running
> around with things..
>
> Lodge Paul
> US Marine  Corps
> 2nd Assault Amphibian Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II  Marine
> Expeditionary  Force
>
>
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