<VV> Vacuum Advance vs Safeguard turbo application

kevin nash wrokit at hotmail.com
Sat Feb 23 01:11:02 EST 2013

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> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:11:09 -0500
> From: Frank DuVal <corvairduval at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Vacuum Advance vs Safeguard turbo application
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> Of course I drove my 64 Spyder convertible for years with a vacuum 
> advance unit and NO pressure retard. I didn't know it was wrong, the 
> used car it was...  If it didn't have such low compression it might have 
> hurt itself.
> So my question is, would using a standard vacuum advance unit and a 
> Safeguard be better than the pressure retard unit only? Would it have 
> the acceleration response of a normally vacuum advance engine and the 
> safety of knock elimination at high boost? Disregard the turbo lag...
> Frank DuVal
  Frank- Yes, having vacuum advance and boost retard on a turbo is extremely helpful all the way around, however, a big "trick" to getting all there is to get performance  wise with that strategy is to get the vacuum advance to "decay" properly- I would have to look at my timing map on my car to give specifics (I have a completely programable distributorless set-up), but I remember it definitely not being a straight line drop in advance- like what would happen if a standard advance unit was used coupled with a safeguard. Using the safegard for boost retard in place of the stock boost retard is an excellent idea, and when I was running a distributor on my turbo, I disabled the stock boost retard and let the safegard handle the boost retard. I did that because theres complete control over when the boost retard starts and the boost retard rate, versus the stock unit. Now, as far as using a standard advance can coupled with a safegard for boost retard goes- I believe that it could work quite nicely, and yes your throttle and acceleration responce will be much improved, but no, its not going to be like an n/a car when out of boost- it will be like a turbo car with vacuum advance, and again, for best results, the vacuum advance needs to decay much differently than it would in a n/a car, so as to get the exhaust temps somewhat correct for boost.   Kevin Nash 		 	   		  

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