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[BBRT]

Thanks to all for all the good advice.
Seems the only reasonable way to have both is to use a hydraulic clutch; MC 
and slave - I do this on my GT 3 Corvair.
 From what everyone says, it appears easier just to install pedals, linkage, 
clutch etc and make it a manual trans car and drive it that way.. I was 
really hoping I could auto trans it normally for daily driving...trying to 
leave my big-engine car in the garage. I can always drive it if I have to 
when it is really hot..for A/C.. My only car years ago in Ft Lauderdale was 
a '68 Corvair which I still have - Grp Red.  No A/C and I was used to 
it..Now, I would prefer at least some comfort...  Summers can be warm here 
in ole Virginny. Maybe the key is to sell the PG car and get the 68 back on 
the road. The PG is in primer, inside, with all rust repaired with metal..no 
bondo. Pretty nice, actually.
I do have a set of pedals etc. but I think they came from a '65 and may not 
fit even changing the whole assy... I don't remember if I can add the pedals 
to the exisiting assy..of course I need the shaft with arm for the clutch, 
etc. Been a long time since I did that type of thing. On the other hand, 
maybe they are newer, maybe they didn't fit a '65!  We'll find out...if I 
have the rest of it... Page two etc...
Anyone have a junk manual '67 or later that they want to sell the pedal assy 
incl cross shaft etc?

Chuck S

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Shelrockbored at aol.com>
Subject: Re: <VV> Streetable Test Mule> Powerglide Transmission & 
ManualTransquick ch...



Chuck:

Here are some pitfalls I see having converted a friends PG '65 Monza to a 4
 speed.  He is actually planning to convert a Monza to a Corsa so we
changed  the instrument panel as well thus eliminating the neutral safety 
switch.
 As I was writing this more and more things began to occur to  me.

George makes a good point regarding the front of the tunnel and the pulley
arrangement.  It's a simple procedure to rearrange the pulley arrangement
at the front of the tunnel to accommodate a standard or PG.  The  pulley
arrangement however, can accommodate one or the other but not  both.  Why 
would
they design it so that it could?  The PG shift  cable does not use a pulley
and George is quite right, the PG shift cable runs  through the area where
the clutch cable pulley would go.  You might be able  to re route it but
there might not be a sufficient length of cable to facilitate  this.

Additionally one would have to undo the shifter delete plate on the floor
and install a shifter and shift rod or, if the process is  reversed, install
a delete plate so one does not have a gaping hole in the  center of the
floor.  I don't know if the PG shift cable would interfere  with the shift 
rod
and shifter but it would certainly be a  consideration.   When testing a car
on the track this would not really  be a problem.  On the track one would
use a standard so there would be no  hole in the floor.  It certainly would
be problem when operating the car on  the street as a PG.

Another consideration is the point where the shift cable or shift rod
exit(s) the rear of the tunnel.  A PG and a standard use different types of
anchoring plates here (these cover the aperture at the rear of the tunnel 
where
 either mechanism goes through) and of course they occupy the same space.
I  don't think it would be possible to leave one in place while its opposite
number  is operating.  Here again it was never designed (why would it be?)
to  accommodate both mechanisms.

It was my impression when I converted a friends PG Monza to a 4 speed, that
 the Corvair is the easiest automobile to switch transmission types but
it's  still major surgery.  A minor matter but each time you did this you 
would
 have to undo all the bolts holding both tunnel covers in place.  I think I
 see what you're after but a lot little things can add up to a lot of  big
things.  My advice; choose one type and live with it.

SVS


In a message dated 6/5/2013 7:04:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
65crownv8 at gmail.com writes:

Chuck,

I just did the conversion to automatic for a club member.  I don't think you
will be able to leave the clutch cable pulley in place  (front of tunnel)
because the PG cable fits through the same area. It's two  bolts, so
changing wouldn't be that big of a deal.

George  Jones
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at  1:56 PM,  corvairduval at cox.net
<corvairduval at cox.net>wrote:

> You  would need to install the body mount for the clutch cross shaft. As
>  long as this does not interfere with the PG, then leave it mounted all
the
> time.
>
> Now, you will need the rare 67 to 69  clutch/brake pedal assembly. Mount
> this in the car and leave it, along  with the pulleys and cable. I say
rare,
> because I loaned out my 69  clutch pedal to a guy doing a 4 speed install
> into a 67, and he has  NEVER found one to give back to me to reinstall
into
> my car. I guess  I'm too easy a mark....
>
> When swapping drivetrains, I see no  reason to remove the clutch parts.
The
> clutch pedal should stay on the  floor when driving the PowerGlide, since
> there is no spring to pull it  back up. Leave the PowerGlide shifter in N
so
> the car will start, even  when using the 4 speed. If you want reverse
> lights, just put the  PowerGlide selector in R.
>
> Now if I had a clutch pedal, you  could just borrow my 69 to test engines!
>
> Remember, the 60  automatics had the small brake pedal, just like the
>  manuals.
>
> Frank DuVal
>
> Original email:
>  -----------------
> From: BBRT chsadek at comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 5  Jun 2013 12:10:52 -0400
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject:  <VV> Streetable Test Mule> Powerglide Transmission &  Manual
> Transquick change
>
>
> Folks,
> I want  to use my '67 PG cpe for a test vehicle for my on-track engines. I
>  would like to be able to drop the PG&crossmember/Diff/engine as a  unit,
> with
> shrouds, muffler, exh, etc quickly, and replace it  with a LM 4spd/incl
> cross
> member/diff and test engine. I would  have clutch cross arm etc on test
> drivetrain. Also would have headers  and as much sheet metal as I would
need
> for testing. [Yeah, I know,  convert it to manual and leave for street
> engine
> and testing..  Would be a lot easier...]
>
> My questions are, what advice on  having both pedal setups, etc?
Pitfalls?
> What not to do? What to  do?
>
> (Instrumentation comes later...)
>
> Chuck  Sadek
> Fredericksburg, VA
>