From bryan at skiblack.com  Thu Aug  1 05:00:01 2024
From: bryan at skiblack.com (Bryan Blackwell)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 05:00:01 -0400
Subject: <VV> VV Rules Post
Message-ID: <20240801090001.78722194F4@tiger.skiblack.com>

This is the regular posting of the guidelines for using VirtualVairs.
If you have comments on this list, please mailto:vairorg at corvair.org

To see the complete VV FAQ, surf over to: http://www.vv.corvair.org/faq.htm

In general:

 - No profanity.
 - No flame wars.  If you have something rude to send, keep it off
        the list.  This includes "I can be rude because you were."
 - This is a Corvair list, try to keep posts to Corvairs, or at least
        about cars or air cooled engine technology, especially:
        - No politics, unless they have *explicit* Corvair or automotive
                content.
        - Likewise, no religion.
 - Indicate actual name and city/state (and country if applicable), and
   year/model/trans/motor of your 'Vair, this may help clarify your inquiry or
   follow-up.
 - If you've asked a technical question, please let us know what the
   solution turned out to be.
 - Limit signature files to six lines or less.
 - Try to make the Subject line fit the post, especially for replies
        to Digests.
 - When responding to posts, edit out irrelevant material.
 - Conversely, include enough so your answer makes sense.
 - When replying to a Digest, please trim to just the post you're replying to.
 - Sign messages with your real name.
 - You can  post pictures or other attachments to the list, just attach as
        usual and the server will store the attachment and put a URL at the
        bottom of the message.
 - Please keep your photos under 512KB.  If you have many photos, please put
	them on a web server and post the URL.
 - ALL emails larger than 8K will be delayed for approval.  If your message is
   of a timely nature, do NOT attach anything and use Plain Text.
 - Avoid "me too" posts.
 - No urban myths or virus hoaxes, please.  If you haven't personally
        verified it, assume it's a myth or a hoax.
 - Use all caps ONLY for EMPHASIS.
 - There are several special interest lists as well:
        - Fastvair, for Corvair high-performance matters,
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FastVair/
        - Stock Corvair Group, for all things as they came from Chevy,
                http://stock.corvair.org/
        - UltraVan, the Corvair powered motorhome,
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltraVan/
        - Corvanatics, far all FC Corvairs (trucks),
                http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics
        - The Chapters list, for Chapter discussion, plus event announcements,
                http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/chapters
        - V8Vairs, concerning V8 conversions,
                mailto:v8vairs-help at corvair.org for more info
        - Corvair Lakewood/Monza station wagons
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lakewood_monza/
        - VV-Talk, for general non-Corvair conversation,
                http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/vv-talk
 - If you must post something non-Corvair, please:
        - Keep it brief and limit number of posts.
        - Label jokes as "humor".
        - Said jokes should be suitable for my 9 year old.
        - Label non-Corvair messages as "no Corvair".
        - Better yet, use the vv-talk list, to subscribe, go to:
            	http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/vv-talk
 - Please turn off "Return Receipt" for mail you post to the list.
 - Finally, only post messages that are of interest to a large portion
        of the list. If your message is generally only meant for a few
        individuals, please send it only to them.

Posting info:

 - The list address is: virtualvairs at corvair.org
 - To unsubscribe, go to
 	http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
 - If you need help with VV, mailto:vv-help at corvair.org and someone
        will try to help you.
 - If you have a complaint about a member's post and you can't work it
        out with them directly, mailto:vairorg at corvair.org - DO NOT take
        it up with them on the list.
        
Searching:

 - You can search the archived posts of all the corvair.org public lists
        with a little help from Google, just go to the main Google page
        and put something like:
 		
        electric fan site:www.vv.corvair.org

Advertisments:

 - Ads that are Corvair related and preferably on-topic are acceptable.
 - Please put "For Sale", "FS", "AD" or comparable in the Subject line.
 - Vendor ads are acceptable, as long as they are not too frequent (once
     a month or so for unsolicited ads) and adhere to the above
     guidelines.  Vendor ads that explicitly address the topic at hand,
     preferably with some applicable information, are good.
        - We encourage vendors to post once a month to help
          our members find out about you.  Be sure to include your
          company info.
        - No vendor bashing.  If you have a great product, say why yours
          is great.  Personal attacks are expressly forbidden.
 - Include both the City and State and a phone number with good times to
        call if you will accept phone calls, especially for cars.
 - For events, include the above, plus Month, Day, and Time, and
        directions.

Handy URLs for Hoaxes & Virii:

        http://kumite.com/myths/
        http://www.urbanlegends.com/
        http://www.snopes2.com/
        http://www.datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm
        http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/
        http://www.cai.com/virusinfo/virusalert.htm
        http://vil.nai.com/


URLs for info for new e-mail/internet users:

	http://www.sharpened.net/glossary/acronyms.php  Chat Acronyms.
        http://www.AcronymFinder.com/  The Acronym Finder.
        http://www.phish.net/PhishFAQ/nabbrev.html  More Acronyms and Abbreviations.

IMPORTANT: Flagrant disregard for the above may result in moderation or
           suspension of membership without any further warning.

        *-*-*- Last updated: 14 September 2011 -*-*-*

From bryan at skiblack.com  Thu Aug 15 05:00:01 2024
From: bryan at skiblack.com (Bryan Blackwell)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 05:00:01 -0400
Subject: <VV> VV Rules Post
Message-ID: <20240815090001.A49731A22A@tiger.skiblack.com>

This is the regular posting of the guidelines for using VirtualVairs.
If you have comments on this list, please mailto:vairorg at corvair.org

To see the complete VV FAQ, surf over to: http://www.vv.corvair.org/faq.htm

In general:

 - No profanity.
 - No flame wars.  If you have something rude to send, keep it off
        the list.  This includes "I can be rude because you were."
 - This is a Corvair list, try to keep posts to Corvairs, or at least
        about cars or air cooled engine technology, especially:
        - No politics, unless they have *explicit* Corvair or automotive
                content.
        - Likewise, no religion.
 - Indicate actual name and city/state (and country if applicable), and
   year/model/trans/motor of your 'Vair, this may help clarify your inquiry or
   follow-up.
 - If you've asked a technical question, please let us know what the
   solution turned out to be.
 - Limit signature files to six lines or less.
 - Try to make the Subject line fit the post, especially for replies
        to Digests.
 - When responding to posts, edit out irrelevant material.
 - Conversely, include enough so your answer makes sense.
 - When replying to a Digest, please trim to just the post you're replying to.
 - Sign messages with your real name.
 - You can  post pictures or other attachments to the list, just attach as
        usual and the server will store the attachment and put a URL at the
        bottom of the message.
 - Please keep your photos under 512KB.  If you have many photos, please put
	them on a web server and post the URL.
 - ALL emails larger than 8K will be delayed for approval.  If your message is
   of a timely nature, do NOT attach anything and use Plain Text.
 - Avoid "me too" posts.
 - No urban myths or virus hoaxes, please.  If you haven't personally
        verified it, assume it's a myth or a hoax.
 - Use all caps ONLY for EMPHASIS.
 - There are several special interest lists as well:
        - Fastvair, for Corvair high-performance matters,
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FastVair/
        - Stock Corvair Group, for all things as they came from Chevy,
                http://stock.corvair.org/
        - UltraVan, the Corvair powered motorhome,
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltraVan/
        - Corvanatics, far all FC Corvairs (trucks),
                http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/corvanatics
        - The Chapters list, for Chapter discussion, plus event announcements,
                http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/chapters
        - V8Vairs, concerning V8 conversions,
                mailto:v8vairs-help at corvair.org for more info
        - Corvair Lakewood/Monza station wagons
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lakewood_monza/
        - VV-Talk, for general non-Corvair conversation,
                http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/vv-talk
 - If you must post something non-Corvair, please:
        - Keep it brief and limit number of posts.
        - Label jokes as "humor".
        - Said jokes should be suitable for my 9 year old.
        - Label non-Corvair messages as "no Corvair".
        - Better yet, use the vv-talk list, to subscribe, go to:
            	http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/vv-talk
 - Please turn off "Return Receipt" for mail you post to the list.
 - Finally, only post messages that are of interest to a large portion
        of the list. If your message is generally only meant for a few
        individuals, please send it only to them.

Posting info:

 - The list address is: virtualvairs at corvair.org
 - To unsubscribe, go to
 	http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
 - If you need help with VV, mailto:vv-help at corvair.org and someone
        will try to help you.
 - If you have a complaint about a member's post and you can't work it
        out with them directly, mailto:vairorg at corvair.org - DO NOT take
        it up with them on the list.
        
Searching:

 - You can search the archived posts of all the corvair.org public lists
        with a little help from Google, just go to the main Google page
        and put something like:
 		
        electric fan site:www.vv.corvair.org

Advertisments:

 - Ads that are Corvair related and preferably on-topic are acceptable.
 - Please put "For Sale", "FS", "AD" or comparable in the Subject line.
 - Vendor ads are acceptable, as long as they are not too frequent (once
     a month or so for unsolicited ads) and adhere to the above
     guidelines.  Vendor ads that explicitly address the topic at hand,
     preferably with some applicable information, are good.
        - We encourage vendors to post once a month to help
          our members find out about you.  Be sure to include your
          company info.
        - No vendor bashing.  If you have a great product, say why yours
          is great.  Personal attacks are expressly forbidden.
 - Include both the City and State and a phone number with good times to
        call if you will accept phone calls, especially for cars.
 - For events, include the above, plus Month, Day, and Time, and
        directions.

Handy URLs for Hoaxes & Virii:

        http://kumite.com/myths/
        http://www.urbanlegends.com/
        http://www.snopes2.com/
        http://www.datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm
        http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/
        http://www.cai.com/virusinfo/virusalert.htm
        http://vil.nai.com/


URLs for info for new e-mail/internet users:

	http://www.sharpened.net/glossary/acronyms.php  Chat Acronyms.
        http://www.AcronymFinder.com/  The Acronym Finder.
        http://www.phish.net/PhishFAQ/nabbrev.html  More Acronyms and Abbreviations.

IMPORTANT: Flagrant disregard for the above may result in moderation or
           suspension of membership without any further warning.

        *-*-*- Last updated: 14 September 2011 -*-*-*

From jeffreyhennessey at verizon.net  Mon Aug 19 09:30:34 2024
From: jeffreyhennessey at verizon.net (Jeffrey Hennessey)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 09:30:34 -0400
Subject: <VV> Dropped valve
References: <AC6B1A06-4D98-494D-9CBD-0507226F8EAE.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AC6B1A06-4D98-494D-9CBD-0507226F8EAE@verizon.net>

Folks?

I am despondent. My 1963 Spyder Coupe, that I have owned for 24 years is currently a static display in my garage. My local guy did the troubleshooting. He has determined that I have a dropped exhaust valve. The problem is in the middle cylinder passenger side. Compression zero. All others 150. I?m in Massachusetts. I am at a loss as to how to tackle this. I?m looking for some guidance. Have any of my fellow Corvair people dealt with this? 
Jeff
Sent from my iPad

From simpson661 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 12:46:18 2024
From: simpson661 at gmail.com (Jim Simpson)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 12:46:18 -0400
Subject: <VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 235, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4.1724083201.14407.virtualvairs@corvair.org>
References: <mailman.4.1724083201.14407.virtualvairs@corvair.org>
Message-ID: <CAAeLaHv9nq67Way8Zb1P0VMT5W_MZphxY35D1SnQN1z3kjjHAg@mail.gmail.com>

Re/ Dropped Valve

I'm going to assume it's a dropped valve seat, the most common problem.  In
that case, there's nothing else to do but pull the head and have it
repaired.  Hopefully the valve seat hasn't shattered and damaged the piston
& cylinder.  If there is no other damage, then having the head repaired and
an appropriate valve job done will take care of the problem.  (Think hard
about taking the other head off and having it reworked as well.)  You will
need to find a person who understands air-cooled Corvair heads to do the
job right.

If the valve seat has broken up, there's a fair chance of damage to at
least that one cylinder & piston.  And a possibility that pieces managed to
migrate to the surrounding cylinders and damaged them as well.  If so, you
are looking at replacing the damaged parts as well.  (I dropped a valve
seat on my '66 Corsa turbo a long time ago.  I was lucky -- the seat stayed
intact so the damage was confined just to the cylinder head.)

Valve seats are probably the most serious weakness in the Corvair engine
design.  I doubt that any of the designers contemplated that Corvair
engines were still going to be used 50 or 60 years after it was built, so
after who knows how many thousands of heat cycles, valve seats are coming
loose.  140's are the worst followed by turbos.

Good luck!  (I hope someone else chimes in with recommendations for good
head repair shops.)

Jim Simpson
Group Corvair

On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 12:00?PM <virtualvairs-request at corvair.org> wrote:

> Send VirtualVairs mailing list submissions to
>         virtualvairs at corvair.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         virtualvairs-request at corvair.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         virtualvairs-owner at corvair.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of VirtualVairs digest..."
> Please also edit to include only the topic you're responding to when
> replying to a Digest.
> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are
> the property
> of the writer, please attribute properly.
> For help, mail to: vv-help at corvair.org
> Archives at http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm
> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America,
> http://www.corvair.org/
> Change your options:
> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Dropped valve (Jeffrey Hennessey)
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jeffrey Hennessey <jeffreyhennessey at verizon.net>
> To: "virtualvairs at corvair.org" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 09:30:34 -0400
> Subject: <VV> Dropped valve
> Folks?
>
> I am despondent. My 1963 Spyder Coupe, that I have owned for 24 years is
> currently a static display in my garage. My local guy did the
> troubleshooting. He has determined that I have a dropped exhaust valve. The
> problem is in the middle cylinder passenger side. Compression zero. All
> others 150. I?m in Massachusetts. I am at a loss as to how to tackle this.
> I?m looking for some guidance. Have any of my fellow Corvair people dealt
> with this?
> Jeff
> Sent from my iPad
>
> _______________________________________________
> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are
> the property
> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mail to:
> vv-help at corvair.org
> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America,
> http://www.corvair.org/
> VirtualVairs at corvair.org
> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs
> Change your options:
> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
> Archives at http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm
>

From eddiem62 at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 19 12:10:23 2024
From: eddiem62 at bellsouth.net (eddiem62 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 16:10:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: <VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 235, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1724083201.14407.virtualvairs@corvair.org>
References: <mailman.5.1724083201.14407.virtualvairs@corvair.org>
Message-ID: <96742625.9497658.1724083823194@mail.yahoo.com>

 If you own them long enough it happens.? And it is not a dropped value but a dropped valve seat.? Head has to come off and good machine shop can replace.? Clarks has new valve seats.
    On Monday, August 19, 2024 at 12:00:05 PM EDT, virtualvairs-request at corvair.org <virtualvairs-request at corvair.org> wrote:  
 
 Send VirtualVairs mailing list submissions to
??? virtualvairs at corvair.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
??? http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
??? virtualvairs-request at corvair.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
??? virtualvairs-owner at corvair.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of VirtualVairs digest..."


Please also edit to include only the topic you're responding to when replying to a Digest.
This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the property
of the writer, please attribute properly.
For help, mail to: vv-help at corvair.org
Archives at http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm
This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/
Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs


Today's Topics:

? 1. Dropped valve (Jeffrey Hennessey)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 09:30:34 -0400
From: Jeffrey Hennessey <jeffreyhennessey at verizon.net>
To: "virtualvairs at corvair.org" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
Subject: <VV> Dropped valve
Message-ID: <AC6B1A06-4D98-494D-9CBD-0507226F8EAE at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Folks?

I am despondent. My 1963 Spyder Coupe, that I have owned for 24 years is currently a static display in my garage. My local guy did the troubleshooting. He has determined that I have a dropped exhaust valve. The problem is in the middle cylinder passenger side. Compression zero. All others 150. I?m in Massachusetts. I am at a loss as to how to tackle this. I?m looking for some guidance. Have any of my fellow Corvair people dealt with this? 
Jeff
Sent from my iPad


------------------------------

Subject: Digest Footer

_______________________________________________
This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the property
of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mail to: vv-help at corvair.org
This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/
VirtualVairs at corvair.org
http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs
Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
Archives at http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm


------------------------------

End of VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 235, Issue 3
********************************************
  

From markplucenik at verizon.net  Tue Aug 20 14:35:54 2024
From: markplucenik at verizon.net (Mark Plucenik)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 14:35:54 -0400
Subject: <VV> 66 steering column
References: <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$@verizon.net>

Im hoping you guys can shed some light on this subject.  I am hoping to
install a telescopic column in my 66 Corsa. The column Im looking at is a 66
model not the early 65 style. I am getting conflicting answers on the
install.  Some tell me I need to change the steering box because of shaft
length and others say its not a problem. Also are there any other trade
secrets with this swap?  I really appreciate the help.

 

 
Thanks, Mark Plucenik


From bryan at skiblack.com  Wed Aug 21 20:03:38 2024
From: bryan at skiblack.com (Bryan Blackwell)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 20:03:38 -0400
Subject: <VV> 66 steering column
In-Reply-To: <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$@verizon.net>
References: <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$.ref@verizon.net>
 <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CB8D8F35-6ECB-481D-9FE9-695690F9663C@skiblack.com>

Hi Mark,

I'm guessing you've come across a '65 tele column for a reasonable price and you'd like to put it in your '66.

The short answer is only a '66 tele column will bolt into your '66.  An early '65 won't - the bracket at the bottom is different and the box shaft is a different length.  Late '65s had the '66 style column, but those are generally far more expensive as they also fit Corvettes.

I have some collected notes on the subject at http://autoxer.skiblack.com/steering.html

--Bryan

> On Aug 20, 2024, at 2:35?PM, Mark Plucenik via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:
> 
> Im hoping you guys can shed some light on this subject.  I am hoping to
> install a telescopic column in my 66 Corsa. The column Im looking at is a 66
> model not the early 65 style. I am getting conflicting answers on the
> install.  Some tell me I need to change the steering box because of shaft
> length and others say its not a problem. Also are there any other trade
> secrets with this swap?  I really appreciate the help.


From cliff at tibweb.com  Wed Aug 21 12:04:09 2024
From: cliff at tibweb.com (Cliff Tibbitts)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 12:04:09 -0400
Subject: <VV> VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 235, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1724256001.14291.virtualvairs@corvair.org>
References: <mailman.1.1724256001.14291.virtualvairs@corvair.org>
Message-ID: <CAOJt_27uPNiDEARECMv9ve7SS8QTJ3OBA3nX+PcBpLj4oi9NLg@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, the one to ask would be Seth Emerson,  sethracer at aol.com
He is probably the most knowledgeable guy when it comes to steering boxes
and configurations.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 12:00?PM <virtualvairs-request at corvair.org> wrote:

> Send VirtualVairs mailing list submissions to
>         virtualvairs at corvair.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         virtualvairs-request at corvair.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         virtualvairs-owner at corvair.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of VirtualVairs digest..."
>
>
> Please also edit to include only the topic you're responding to when
> replying to a Digest.
> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are
> the property
> of the writer, please attribute properly.
> For help, mail to: vv-help at corvair.org
> Archives at http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm
> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America,
> http://www.corvair.org/
> Change your options:
> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. 66 steering column (Mark Plucenik)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 14:35:54 -0400
> From: "Mark Plucenik" <markplucenik at verizon.net>
> To: <virtualvairs at corvair.org>
> Subject: <VV> 66 steering column
> Message-ID: <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> Im hoping you guys can shed some light on this subject.  I am hoping to
> install a telescopic column in my 66 Corsa. The column Im looking at is a
> 66
> model not the early 65 style. I am getting conflicting answers on the
> install.  Some tell me I need to change the steering box because of shaft
> length and others say its not a problem. Also are there any other trade
> secrets with this swap?  I really appreciate the help.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, Mark Plucenik
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
> _______________________________________________
> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are
> the property
> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mail to:
> vv-help at corvair.org
> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America,
> http://www.corvair.org/
> VirtualVairs at corvair.org
> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/listinfo/virtualvairs
> Change your options:
> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
> Archives at http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of VirtualVairs Digest, Vol 235, Issue 5
> ********************************************
>


-- 

Cliff Tibbitts
cliff at tibweb.com

From tonyunderwood50 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 21:14:58 2024
From: tonyunderwood50 at gmail.com (tony underwood)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 21:14:58 -0400
Subject: <VV> Dropped valve
In-Reply-To: <AC6B1A06-4D98-494D-9CBD-0507226F8EAE@verizon.net>
References: <AC6B1A06-4D98-494D-9CBD-0507226F8EAE.ref@verizon.net>
 <AC6B1A06-4D98-494D-9CBD-0507226F8EAE@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4f7ff722-ed77-44b8-b82f-e9c0b9c07759@gmail.com>


On 8/19/2024 9:30 AM, Jeffrey Hennessey via VirtualVairs wrote:
> Folks?
>
> I am despondent. My 1963 Spyder Coupe, that I have owned for 24 years is currently a static display in my garage. My local guy did the troubleshooting. He has determined that I have a dropped exhaust valve. The problem is in the middle cylinder passenger side. Compression zero. All others 150. I?m in Massachusetts. I am at a loss as to how to tackle this. I?m looking for some guidance. Have any of my fellow Corvair people dealt with this?
> Jeff
> Sent from my iPad


This has happened to every Corvair enthusiast who actually drove 
Corvairs.? Spyders and Corsas tend to lose more seats than the grocery 
getter types.


If you have been around Corvairs for a quarter-century you already know 
the drill... take the head off, bring it to your favorite auto machine 
shop and show it to them.? They will fix it.? Corvair heads used to be a 
bit of a mystery to many machine shop guys because they were used to 
dealing with iron stuff. Today, vast numbers of engines have aluminum 
heads and seat inserts, no mystery anymore.

If you aren't mechanically inclined, perhaps your local guy would be 
willing to yank the head and take it to a machine shop for repairs. 
Being the passenger side head, it's a bit more complicated to r&r since 
the turbocharger bolts to it, but it's still doable without a lot of 
heartache. NO, you do not have to remove the turbocharger, it can just 
hang there although you will need to wiggle the turbo's oil return tube 
a bit to get it out of the head. I've had two Spyders (Still have one, a 
project) and I drove them somewhat aggressively along the way and had 
seats come out of both heads of both cars, yanked the heads each time 
and took them to the shop and had new seats pressed in. Later, I took to 
staking the good seats to help insure they stayed in place (not always 
successfully) but I was never "set back" over it since I always do all 
my own work that is doable. It's what many people do with vintage 
vehicles; it's part of the mystique of owning one.

That said... I won't try to replace a valve seat in a head; I'm not a 
machine shop.

I'm sure there are multitudes of people in here who could give you step 
by step details on how to remove the head as well as putting it back 
once it's repaired. It helps to have someone on hand who has done it 
before, but you Can do it yourself if you can handle basic tools and own 
a torque wrench. Or... enlist help from someone who's good at twisting 
wrenches. And, my opinion only, you do not need to arbitrarily replace 
every single valve seat if one comes out. Some people insist that you 
do; I'm not one of them. Have the shop check the rest for potential fail 
evidence. They should be able to give you a good idea of the head's 
expected performance once they have it apart, before it's repaired.

Clark's is your friend.

You'll need a head gasket, a valve cover gasket, intake manifold to head 
inlet port (aka carb mount) gasket (the gasket not the spacer the 
carb'ed cars use), exhaust manifold gaskets (three smaller ones to the 
exhaust tubes and the larger one between the exhaust manifold and the 
head pipe), a set of pushrod tube seals vitons of course, and maybe a 
turbocharger exhaust outlet gasket, along with whatever else you might 
need to replace along the way that wasn't anticipated. That should be 
about it for the r&r parts, iirc. Everything else is nuts and bolts. 
You'll have a better idea of what you need to do after you remove that 
section of passenger side engine bay tin (upper and lower shrouds) and 
the muffler and heat shield (you'll see it) along with the cooling 
damper doors and vents at the rear of the engine. You will need to make 
sure you get all the shrouding bolts and screws off the head so it will 
actually come off the car. Pushrods and the pushrod tubes will need to 
come out also, make sure you note which end of each pushrod has a small 
hole in the side which is there to oil the rocker arms. Don't put the 
pushrods in backwards. The crankcase/cylinder studs may give you some 
grief, maybe requiring you loosen the rear motor mount and block up the 
rear of the engine with a floor jack to allow it to drop down just 
enough to allow the head to clear the engine bay - wheel well sheet 
metal. Wave a camera around the stricken area during the disassembly to 
document progress and keep a fresh viewpoint on how it goes back 
together. The head is bolted in with 9/16 nuts and 13/16 rocker stud 
nuts, along with the misc hardware that attaches the engine bay tin and 
associated sheet metal. Rocker arm nuts are 5/8. Valve cover bolts are 
7/16. Shroud hardware includes 5/16, 3/8, and 1/2 sockets. In other 
words, basically a full compliment of sockets and the occasional misc. 
wrench. As Mike Rowe says, "prepare to get dirty".

Putting it all back together is also going to involve valve 
adjustments... that can be dealt with in this forum after the head is 
back on the car. Now, all this is a basic description of what to expect. 
It is not a substitute for a service manual or a specialty Corvair 
repair manual like the Tech Guide etc.

Don't be discouraged.

tony..

PS: if I missed anything important, the viewing masses are free to jump in


-- 
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
www.avg.com

From hurricanehazel16 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 09:31:11 2024
From: hurricanehazel16 at gmail.com (James Davis)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:31:11 -0500
Subject: <VV> 66 steering column
In-Reply-To: <CB8D8F35-6ECB-481D-9FE9-695690F9663C@skiblack.com>
References: <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$.ref@verizon.net>
 <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$@verizon.net>
 <CB8D8F35-6ECB-481D-9FE9-695690F9663C@skiblack.com>
Message-ID: <CAK0+xDC50zJ57NR10r=Dtcccu0K6Yt6bWmhVhcQL_52CdXH+3g@mail.gmail.com>

Having owned a 1965 Corsa convertible since March 3. 1965, I have faced the
same problem.  Easiest is to find a 66 to 69 steering box and intermediate
shaft.to replace the long shaft 65 steering box.
You can continue to use the 65 box, IF you remove the box, cut the shaft to
the length of a 66 box, grind the stub shaft to fit a DD shaft, buy the
correct  universal, fabricate an intermediate shaft (I recommend you
purchase a commercial collapsible intermediate shaft) to fit between the
universal on the steering box and the steering shaft.   As the 65 column
has a different mount than the 66, you will have to modify the car's floor
to fit the different bracket.  Lastly you will have to cut a hole in the
trunck's floor to allow the set screws on the upper joint to be tightened.
You can look at a 66 to see exactly where to cut the hole..The 66 shop
manual also shows the hole's location.  The good news is later on you may
find a 66 to 69 quick steering box and steering arms and it will all bolt
in.
You may want to cut the floor reinforcement from a 66-9 Corvair and weld it
to your floor.  This reinforcement is to mate with the special fitting on
the 66 and later columns and keep the steering shaft from extending into
the drivers chest in a front end collision.  The collapsible intermediate
makes the floor reinforcement unm=nessary.

Jim Davis.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 7:13?PM Bryan Blackwell via VirtualVairs <
virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> I'm guessing you've come across a '65 tele column for a reasonable price
> and you'd like to put it in your '66.
>
> The short answer is only a '66 tele column will bolt into your '66.  An
> early '65 won't - the bracket at the bottom is different and the box shaft
> is a different length.  Late '65s had the '66 style column, but those are
> generally far more expensive as they also fit Corvettes.
>
> I have some collected notes on the subject at
> http://autoxer.skiblack.com/steering.html
>
> --Bryan
>
> > On Aug 20, 2024, at 2:35?PM, Mark Plucenik via VirtualVairs <
> virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:
> >
> > Im hoping you guys can shed some light on this subject.  I am hoping to
> > install a telescopic column in my 66 Corsa. The column Im looking at is
> a 66
> > model not the early 65 style. I am getting conflicting answers on the
> > install.  Some tell me I need to change the steering box because of shaft
> > length and others say its not a problem. Also are there any other trade
> > secrets with this swap?  I really appreciate the help.
>
>  _______________________________________________
> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are
> the property
> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:
> vv-help at corvair.org
> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America,
> http://www.corvair.org/
> Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org
> Change your options:
> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
> Archives: http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm
>  _______________________________________________
>

From hurricanehazel16 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 09:42:53 2024
From: hurricanehazel16 at gmail.com (James Davis)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:42:53 -0500
Subject: <VV> 66 steering column
In-Reply-To: <CAK0+xDC50zJ57NR10r=Dtcccu0K6Yt6bWmhVhcQL_52CdXH+3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$.ref@verizon.net>
 <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$@verizon.net>
 <CB8D8F35-6ECB-481D-9FE9-695690F9663C@skiblack.com>
 <CAK0+xDC50zJ57NR10r=Dtcccu0K6Yt6bWmhVhcQL_52CdXH+3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK0+xDCgiKumM+A2=JLDHj1LegOWSzMNyV5ogjXQGr06MshRDw@mail.gmail.com>

Seems I misread the question.  My explanation was putting a 66 telly column
in a 1965 January LA Corsa before I knew Seth Emmerson and Warren LeVeque..
Jim Davis

On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 8:31?AM James Davis <hurricanehazel16 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Having owned a 1965 Corsa convertible since March 3. 1965, I have faced
> the same problem.  Easiest is to find a 66 to 69 steering box and
> intermediate shaft.to replace the long shaft 65 steering box.
> You can continue to use the 65 box, IF you remove the box, cut the shaft
> to the length of a 66 box, grind the stub shaft to fit a DD shaft, buy the
> correct  universal, fabricate an intermediate shaft (I recommend you
> purchase a commercial collapsible intermediate shaft) to fit between the
> universal on the steering box and the steering shaft.   As the 65 column
> has a different mount than the 66, you will have to modify the car's floor
> to fit the different bracket.  Lastly you will have to cut a hole in the
> trunck's floor to allow the set screws on the upper joint to be tightened.
> You can look at a 66 to see exactly where to cut the hole..The 66 shop
> manual also shows the hole's location.  The good news is later on you may
> find a 66 to 69 quick steering box and steering arms and it will all bolt
> in.
> You may want to cut the floor reinforcement from a 66-9 Corvair and weld
> it to your floor.  This reinforcement is to mate with the special fitting
> on the 66 and later columns and keep the steering shaft from extending into
> the drivers chest in a front end collision.  The collapsible intermediate
> makes the floor reinforcement unm=nessary.
>
> Jim Davis.
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 7:13?PM Bryan Blackwell via VirtualVairs <
> virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> I'm guessing you've come across a '65 tele column for a reasonable price
>> and you'd like to put it in your '66.
>>
>> The short answer is only a '66 tele column will bolt into your '66.  An
>> early '65 won't - the bracket at the bottom is different and the box shaft
>> is a different length.  Late '65s had the '66 style column, but those are
>> generally far more expensive as they also fit Corvettes.
>>
>> I have some collected notes on the subject at
>> http://autoxer.skiblack.com/steering.html
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
>> > On Aug 20, 2024, at 2:35?PM, Mark Plucenik via VirtualVairs <
>> virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Im hoping you guys can shed some light on this subject.  I am hoping to
>> > install a telescopic column in my 66 Corsa. The column Im looking at is
>> a 66
>> > model not the early 65 style. I am getting conflicting answers on the
>> > install.  Some tell me I need to change the steering box because of
>> shaft
>> > length and others say its not a problem. Also are there any other trade
>> > secrets with this swap?  I really appreciate the help.
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights
>> are the property
>> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:
>> vv-help at corvair.org
>> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America,
>> http://www.corvair.org/
>> Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org
>> Change your options:
>> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
>> Archives: http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm
>>  _______________________________________________
>>
>

From sethracer at aol.com  Thu Aug 22 12:30:29 2024
From: sethracer at aol.com (Seth Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 16:30:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: <VV> 66 steering column
In-Reply-To: <CAK0+xDCgiKumM+A2=JLDHj1LegOWSzMNyV5ogjXQGr06MshRDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$.ref@verizon.net>
 <005b01daf32f$cb34f970$619eec50$@verizon.net>
 <CB8D8F35-6ECB-481D-9FE9-695690F9663C@skiblack.com>
 <CAK0+xDC50zJ57NR10r=Dtcccu0K6Yt6bWmhVhcQL_52CdXH+3g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK0+xDCgiKumM+A2=JLDHj1LegOWSzMNyV5ogjXQGr06MshRDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <251289557.10986128.1724344229208@mail.yahoo.com>

I answered Mark directly. I should have copied VV. Sorry. - Seth Emerson
Mark - The short answer is: All 1966 Corvair columns are interchangeable. A 66 tele column will bolt into any 1966 car.
Long answer: no need to change the steering box or the coupler. All the wiring plugs-in the same, too.?
Questions??
Also check out:?Tele column assembly

| 
| 
| 
|  |  |

 |

 |
| 
|  | 
Tele column assembly


 |

 |

 |



| 
| 
| 
|  |  |

 |

 |
| 
|  | 
Tele column assembly


 |

 |

 |





Finally, if you are looking for another wheel to replace the 16" stocker, I have replacement steering wheels in both Leather and wood. 15" diameter.
-Seth Emerson

    On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 07:37:43 AM PDT, James Davis via VirtualVairs <virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:   

 Seems I misread the question.? My explanation was putting a 66 telly column
in a 1965 January LA Corsa before I knew Seth Emmerson and Warren LeVeque..
Jim Davis

On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 8:31?AM James Davis <hurricanehazel16 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Having owned a 1965 Corsa convertible since March 3. 1965, I have faced
> the same problem.? Easiest is to find a 66 to 69 steering box and
> intermediate shaft.to replace the long shaft 65 steering box.
> You can continue to use the 65 box, IF you remove the box, cut the shaft
> to the length of a 66 box, grind the stub shaft to fit a DD shaft, buy the
> correct? universal, fabricate an intermediate shaft (I recommend you
> purchase a commercial collapsible intermediate shaft) to fit between the
> universal on the steering box and the steering shaft.? As the 65 column
> has a different mount than the 66, you will have to modify the car's floor
> to fit the different bracket.? Lastly you will have to cut a hole in the
> trunck's floor to allow the set screws on the upper joint to be tightened.
> You can look at a 66 to see exactly where to cut the hole..The 66 shop
> manual also shows the hole's location.? The good news is later on you may
> find a 66 to 69 quick steering box and steering arms and it will all bolt
> in.
> You may want to cut the floor reinforcement from a 66-9 Corvair and weld
> it to your floor.? This reinforcement is to mate with the special fitting
> on the 66 and later columns and keep the steering shaft from extending into
> the drivers chest in a front end collision.? The collapsible intermediate
> makes the floor reinforcement unm=nessary.
>
> Jim Davis.
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 7:13?PM Bryan Blackwell via VirtualVairs <
> virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> I'm guessing you've come across a '65 tele column for a reasonable price
>> and you'd like to put it in your '66.
>>
>> The short answer is only a '66 tele column will bolt into your '66.? An
>> early '65 won't - the bracket at the bottom is different and the box shaft
>> is a different length.? Late '65s had the '66 style column, but those are
>> generally far more expensive as they also fit Corvettes.
>>
>> I have some collected notes on the subject at
>> http://autoxer.skiblack.com/steering.html
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
>> > On Aug 20, 2024, at 2:35?PM, Mark Plucenik via VirtualVairs <
>> virtualvairs at corvair.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Im hoping you guys can shed some light on this subject.? I am hoping to
>> > install a telescopic column in my 66 Corsa. The column Im looking at is
>> a 66
>> > model not the early 65 style. I am getting conflicting answers on the
>> > install.? Some tell me I need to change the steering box because of
>> shaft
>> > length and others say its not a problem. Also are there any other trade
>> > secrets with this swap?? I really appreciate the help.
>>
>>? _______________________________________________
>> This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights
>> are the property
>> of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:
>> vv-help at corvair.org
>> This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America,
>> http://www.corvair.org/
>> Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org
>> Change your options:
>> http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
>> Archives: http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm
>>? _______________________________________________
>>
>
 _______________________________________________
This message was sent by the VirtualVairs mailing list, all copyrights are the property
of the writer, please attribute properly. For help, mailto:vv-help at corvair.org
This list sponsored by the Corvair Society of America, http://www.corvair.org/
Post messages to: VirtualVairs at corvair.org
Change your options: http://www.vv.corvair.org/mailman/options/virtualvairs
Archives: http://www.vv.corvair.org/archive.htm
 _______________________________________________
  

From printer at axelmark.net  Tue Aug 27 09:09:58 2024
From: printer at axelmark.net (CBN CONSULTANT)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2024 14:09:58 +0100
Subject: <VV> YOUR OVER DUE PAYMENT
Message-ID: <mailman.148.1724785166.23618.virtualvairs@corvair.org>

Dear Beneficiary,


I hope that this correspondence is received with the urgency and the expediency required. It has come to the notice of the Board of Trustees at the CBN that your present inheritance claims application being handled by the Remitting Bank in Nigeria is experiencing some man-made irregularities. To this effect, it has become necessary for the Board of Trustees to invite trained Fund Transfer / Assets transfer Specialists from the United States to resolve and regularize your fund release with immediate effect and stop all further fund discrepancies.


We at Howard & Associates have been duly consulted by the CBN Board of Trustees and have been fully informed about how the staff of the remitting bank have been taking advantage of you by telling you to pay unnecessary exorbitant charges which will only make your fund payment a long-drawn-out process. Due to this we have decided to step into the process of your fund transfer to enable your funds to be transferred within the soonest possible time without needing to pay all the huge sums of monies that are being demanded from you by the remitting bank, you are to get back to us immediately.

All processes to have your funds paid to you immediately through the Federal Reserve Bank in New York have been initiated to cut out unnecessary costs. You are advised to keep this communication highly confidential as the CBN Board of Trustees have asked us to resolve this fund payment independent of the office of the CBN Governor to identify the   principal participants in this unethical payment procedure.Furthermore,you are hereby advised to pay no further fees or charges to the Remitting Bank in Nigeria as well as any person or persons, Real or Fictitious, prostates and institutions as they shall no longer be handling your payment process.

We shall await your immediate correspondence with your direct telephone numbers so that we may conclude your payment immediately contact the claim officer through this email address: FIRMA_THOMAS at outlook.com

Yours Faithfully,

Barbara Michael.

Howard & Associates c/o CBN.

Statement of confidentiality: "the information in this email and in any attachments contains confidential information and is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). It may not be disclosed to any person without authorization. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient you are not authorized to and must not disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message or any part of it."

From bryan at skiblack.com  Tue Aug 27 15:00:47 2024
From: bryan at skiblack.com (Bryan Blackwell)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2024 15:00:47 -0400
Subject: <VV> YOUR OVER DUE PAYMENT
In-Reply-To: <mailman.148.1724785166.23618.virtualvairs@corvair.org>
References: <mailman.148.1724785166.23618.virtualvairs@corvair.org>
Message-ID: <6FA2C9CD-04C4-4F13-A724-C193E8FCBBED@skiblack.com>

That was spam, sorry clicked the wrong button.

--Bryan

From ricebugg at comcast.net  Sat Aug 31 17:20:03 2024
From: ricebugg at comcast.net (James Rice)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 16:20:03 -0500
Subject: <VV> Corvair's racing in Canada
Message-ID: <000801dafbeb$8bf29c30$a3d7d490$@comcast.net>

All: Sometime in this month, while doing something else, I ran across a
discussion about someone having a red LM Corvair which the owner thought or
said was raced in Canada.   It may have been on Corvair Central, which I do
not frequent.   But it escaped my thought process at the time.  

 

But, in doing something else Corvair related, the thought came back.  

 

If any of you know about this discussion and/or know the people involved,
would you please have them contact me.

 

I know things about Corvair Racing.

 

Historically Yours,

 

                            James Rice 

                            ricebugg at comcast.net