[1969] '69 500 5649 with Cloth Interior: Does anyone know where 5659 is?
Dave Keillor
dkeillor at tconcepts.com
Fri Mar 6 16:48:32 EST 2015
Dave,
No, I have no knowledge of the cars you mentioned. One thought is to
contact Joe Casey who was Supervisor of the "Corvair Room". He will be
speaking at Eva McGuire's Meet the Maker's event. Eva is in contact with
him. I would think that if they had run out of bench seat upholstery, there
would be a good chance that Joe would remember. Here's a link to Eva's
Facebook posting: Meet the Makers
<https://www.facebook.com/meetthecorvairmakers/posts/737630319686538?comment_id=737656763017227&reply_comment_id=738108559638714&offset=0&total_comments=4>
Dave Keillor
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:53 PM, David Newell <chevrobilia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dave,
> Thanks for your input. I have that brochure, of course, and think that
> 5649's interior resembles the bottom photo (standard Nova interior) very
> much except that the vertical pleats are sewn in 5649 rather than defined
> only by dark vertical stripes in the Nova fabric. Since substitute Fisher
> seat covers would have been sewn up in Grand Rapids rather than at Willow
> Run, any available GM fabric or pleat pattern could have been used.
>
> I've asked Mike & Cathy for a closeup photo of the cloth material so I can
> compare it to the fabric samples in the '69 dealer album. Cloth matching
> the 500 Green interior color was used in the Nova, Chevelle, and full-size
> Chevy car lines.
>
> Meanwhile, do you know of any '69 500s with the Green interior built after
> 5649 and 5659? Or have a more current location for 5659? If we can turn one
> up with the stock Green vinyl interior it would definitely point to 5649
> having been reupholstered by the selling dealer...which was my original
> take on the car and I still lean in that direction.
>
> Dave
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 3/6/15, Dave Keillor <dkeillor at tconcepts.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [1969] '69 500 5649 with Cloth Interior: Does anyone know
> where 5659 is?
> To: "David Newell" <chevrobilia at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "1969 at corvair.org" <1969 at corvair.org>, "1969 at sashimi.org" <
> 1969 at sashimi.org>, "Ed Thompson" <ed.thompson at quarles.com>
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2015, 7:44 AM
>
> The
> interior has a Nova look about it, but doesn't match
> with the pictures from a '69 Nova brochure.'69
> Nova Bench Seat Interior
>
>
> Dave Keillor
>
>
> On
> Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:49 AM, David Newell <chevrobilia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> All,
>
> I heard back from Mike & Cathy Lee, the owners of
> '69 500 #5649 -- the car now on Ebay with the pleated,
> Nova-like cloth interior fabric. They sent pictures of the
> Fisher Body tag and there's absolutely nothing unusual
> about it. Just the 708 Green all vinyl interior trim code.
> So that should rule out any special order or VIP car gone
> astray. Also, when Mike and Cathy bought the car on Ebay it
> definitely had the fabric seats.
>
>
>
> Now the story gets interesting: in our '69 Finger-Tip
> Facts Corvair roster (including the three update sheets that
> Mark sent out) AND the February 2011 1969 Group update to
> our roster, only ONE 500 later than 5649 shows up with a
> GREEN interior: #5659, painted Frost Green and which first
> appeared on the 2004 update sheet.
>
>
>
> There are a number of 500s listed later than 5649 with the
> other two all-vinyl interior choices of Blue & Black,
> but only the one Green interior 500: 5659. There are also
> several 500s with no Trim color listed. It just might be
> possible that Fisher Body ran out of 500 Green vinyl shortly
> before 5649 & 5659 were to be built and substituted
> modified green cloth Nova seat covers on a few cars. Just a
> thought, but I think it's a theory worth pursuing.
>
>
>
> ONLY YOUR HELP WILL TELL....
>
>
>
> 1) Does anyone know where '69 500 # 5659 is? Or know
> where John Wilson, the listed owner, is now? The 2004 roster
> update sheet shows it belonging to John in Tool, Texas. The
> phone number for John in the latest CORSA roster I have is
> very likely not his anymore although I left a message
> anyway. It would be very interesting to see if 5659 has the
> stock Green vinyl interior or not :o)
>
>
>
> 2) Does anyone know of any 500s with Green interiors LATER
> than 5649? Perhaps one's been added to the roster since
> the last update in 2011?
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you can help with this little mystery.
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Dave Newell
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> On Thu, 3/5/15, David Newell <chevrobilia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: '69 500 with Cloth Interior on Ebay, #
> 321686548673
>
> To: "Wade Lanning" <wblanning at comcast.net>
>
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2015, 11:58 AM
>
>
>
> Thanks Wade. I don't know if Fisher
>
> would have used them but it's worth a try.
>
>
>
> It occurred to me that Mark may have never seen the
> body
>
> plate for this car and had just put down 708 in the
> roster
>
> update since the car had a green interior. So I asked
> the
>
> seller to tell me what the code on the Fisher plate is
> or
>
> send a pic of the plate. Looks like he was on the '69
> Group
>
> list!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> On Thu, 3/5/15, Wade Lanning <wblanning at comcast.net>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: '69 500 with Cloth Interior on Ebay,
> #
>
> 321686548673
>
> To: "Newell, David" <chevrobilia at yahoo.com>
>
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2015, 6:51 AM
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> thanks for your comments. Your insight is always
>
> interesting.
>
> I
>
> never did call the person that worked in the GM
> upholstery
>
> shop. I should do that and maybe ask if his shop
> ever
>
> made
>
> custom seat covers. I'll make a point to call him
> soon
>
> and I'll let you know what he has to say.
>
>
>
> Wade
>
>
>
> From: "David
>
> Newell" <chevrobilia at yahoo.com>
>
> To: "Wade Lanning"
>
> <wblanning at comcast.net>
>
> Cc:
>
> 1969 at corvair.org,
> 1969 at sashimi.org
>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:04:24
>
> PM
>
> Subject: Re: '69 500 with
>
> Cloth Interior on Ebay, # 321686548673
>
>
>
> (Adding the '69
>
> Group)
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Wade,
>
> Thanks for the heads up on this 500:
>
> #5649 on Ebay. This is the first time I've seen
> anything
>
> about it and I don't recall Mark ever mentioning
>
> anything about a 500 with a cloth (seating area)
> interior.
>
> The car was first listed on our 1-06 roster update
> sheet,
>
> showing interior code 708 (500 green, all vinyl) and
> Paint
>
> Code 50, Dover White. The notes are "Ebay Auction
>
> 11/05, Idaho". It'd be interesting to hear if
>
> anyone in the '69 Group saved those Ebay pictures
> from
>
> 2005 and if the car had a cloth interior then.
>
>
>
> My gut reaction is
>
> that the car was reupholstered at some point, perhaps
> by
>
> the
>
> selling dealer with a special customer in mind who
> backed
>
> out of the deal.
>
>
>
> But it's interesting that the
>
> vertical pleat sewing pattern is very similar to that
> used
>
> in the standard '69 Nova interior. The standard
> Nova
>
> interior came with a similar green fabric though you
>
> can't really compare the fabric pattern by looking
> at
>
> the Ebay photos. It shouldn't have been difficult
> for
>
> Fisher Body to adapt a Nova upholstery set to the
>
> Corvair.
>
>
>
> If this
>
> was originally meant to be a special-ordered interior
> for
>
> a
>
> VIP and installed at Willow Run, keep in mind that
> neither
>
> Willow Run or other Fisher plants sewed their own seat
>
> cover
>
> sets. The sets came to the plants fully sewn from the
>
> Fisher
>
> Body Grand Rapids Trim Plant. The car assembly plants
>
> simply
>
> installed the covers. If this car was a VIP order,
> Fisher
>
> would have supplied the custom seat covers to Willow
> Run
>
> from either Grand Rapids or from their experimental
> shops
>
> near the GM Tech Center.
>
>
>
> Most importantly, if the interior was
>
> intended to be a VIP job from the start, the interior
> code
>
> on the Fisher Body tag in the engine compartment would
>
> very
>
> likely be "--", "SPEC" or some
> variation
>
> instead of 708.
>
>
>
> The upholstery looks tastefully done and
>
> a bit out of place with the rest of the car.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> On Wed, 3/4/15, Wade Lanning
>
> <wblanning at comcast.net>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: '69
>
> on ebay
>
> To: "Newell, David"
>
> <chevrobilia at yahoo.com>
>
> Date:
>
> Wednesday, March 4, 2015, 6:17 PM
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Dave,
>
>
>
> I don't know if you
>
> got to see this low
>
> mileage car at the
>
> Jacksonville convention, but I talked to
>
> the owner about the interior there. As I
>
> recall at the
>
> time he speculated it was
>
> re-upholstered soon after it was
>
> bought
>
> since '69 Vairs weren't made with cloth
>
> seats. Now he's saying it is the
>
> original
>
> interior.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Corvair-Monza-1969-chevrolet-corvair-coupe-/321686548673?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ae60330c1&item=321686548673&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
>
> Wade
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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