CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule

Tue Aug 2 16:56:26 EDT 2011

I think different on the concours cars not being at the show on Saturday.
Usually they are at the show but are ineligible for any awards in the car
display. Plus the other idea is to have assigned parking for the Saturday
car display so everyone can find their spot. If we pre-assign cars to
parking spaces BEFORE the convention starts then the participants can find
their spot when they register or even have it in the preregistration packet.
This will take someone some time to map out the parking lot and number the
spaces but I think that can be done. 
Jason

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On Behalf Of Lacki, Allan V
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:41 PM
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Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule

Not to pile on, but.....  

If we proceed to do judging on Friday and rolling awards at the show on
Saturday, we will be asking the Concours people to display their cars two
days instead of one day.  That's a lot of show time for a three-day
convention.  

I think a lot of the Concours people will not be inclined to keep their cars
on field for the entire show on Saturday.  Instead, they'll just arrive for
the awards-portion of the Saturday show, in which case, the public won't
have much time to see them.  That would defeat the purpose of having the
show on Saturday in the first place.

Also, if we do the Concours judging on Friday and the Car Display on
Saturday, then we will burn up nearly two full days, parking and staging
cars.

It's probably way too late to consider this for 2012, but the best
compromise might be to start the convention on a Saturday or Sunday.
Schedule the Concours and Car Display on the first day of the convention,
let the public and the media in to see the cars that same weekend, and then
conduct all the other activities on the remaining days.  

That aside, I suggest we stick with the original plan.  Concours on
Saturday.  Streamline the judging process.  Get the trophies ready before
the judging is complete.  If possible, do the rolling awards ceremony late
Saturday afternoon, before the banquet begins.  Generally, I like the idea
of having a rolling-awards presentation for the Concours cars.

Al Lacki

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On Behalf Of Vairtec Corporation
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:01 PM
To: 2012 CORSA convention list
Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: Convention Concours schedule

I could be convinced that the Friday-concours compromise is worthwhile,
especially if the concours committee agrees to the idea of doing the awards
during the Saturday show.  This will permit us to preserve our big Saturday
show.

However, looking further at Brian's original message, the concours committee
continues to hold the entire convention hostage to their event.  They ask
that we end Thursday's rally by 4 PM and set aside time afterward for
classification and ops checks.  So now our road rally's available time frame
is tightened and more importantly, our planned times for the evening
activities, including the CORSA annual meeting, are now encroached upon by
the concours.

Remember the CORSA annual meeting?  One of the elements of the convention
that is actually REQUIRED?  One of the elements that we sought to make more
appealing by combining it with a social event?

In truth, the road rally should be concluded by 4 PM anyway, so that is no
hardship.  What IS a hardship is that concours participants will now have to
go through the classification and ops check process instead of enjoying some
downtime before the evening's events.

Given CORSA's track record for conducting the classification and ops check
process in a timely manner, the concours participants will like miss dinner,
the CPF meeting, the annual meeting, or all three.  And when will the road
rally participants find time the clean their cars for the concours?
Originally we gave them all of Friday for that.  Now they must fit it in
where they can.  Midnight, perhaps.

Oh -- and the casual enthusiast?  He now must commit to being there Thursday
and Friday.  Y'know, some people work for a living.  Our overall concours
participation just shrank.

Again, I could accept the Friday concours compromise, especially with the
innovative idea of doing the concours awards as part of the big Saturday car
show.  But fer crissakes do the classification and ops checks as just
another part of the process on Friday.  Add a team of judges who do ops
checks.  Add a team of judges who do classification.  
There is no reason -- NO REASON -- that cars have to be classified before
the judging begins.  There is no reason -- NO REASON -- for the concours to
consume multiple days.

CORSA's concours process is totally, totally absurd, and it's death grip on
convention planning is toxic.

--Bob Marlow

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