CORSA 2012: More report

Sun Jul 31 20:09:50 EDT 2011

Jason:

First...great Denver Convention!  Cudos to all who worked so hard to make it a success!  I had a great time!

As you know, the Sturbridge hotel is configured such that we could allow for the public to view the People's Choice area while restricting them from the Concours area.  I favor the latter but think it is very important to lure the public into the People's Choice area so we can promote membership and foster a better understanding of the Corvair by the general public.

Having been a judge, I think all spectators should be kept away from the Concours vehicles during the judging. The spectators, good intentions aside, can get in the way.

I plan to look into the layout of the hotel further during the September on-site visit and get the opinions of the other committee people.    

Ken Schifftner

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jason Cesana <corvair1960 at cox.net>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2011 3:31 PM
>To: 'EDWARD BOURGONDIEN' <ward at lightningspeed.net>, 'Michael Kovacs' <kovacsmj at sbcglobal.net>
>Cc: conv-2012 at corvair.org, 'michel paroz' <mparoz1 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: More report
>
>Mike. The car show is no problem. I have let people sit in my car as well.
>We are talking CONCOURS cars. Little different. Not just the idea of
>fingerprints but think about belt buckles when people lean over the engine
>compartment. We don't want the owners of these prestigious cars cringing
>during the entire show do we? Brian today during the mini meeting we had
>with the concours chair Jim Allen Sr, and Larry Claypool, along with some
>board members discussed an idea to let the public walk through the concours
>without getting too close to the cars and getting in the judges way. I think
>it will work out great. I will let Brian discuss it with the group but
>everyone seems to think it is a good idea. I don't want to sound to CORSA
>but remember this is a CORSA sanctioned event. We can't COMPLETELY ignore
>the current members who have supported CORSA for years. On the opposite side
>is the potential membership. There has to be some compromise to accommodate
>BOTH groups. We continue to need the existing members to help us draw in the
>potential. It is a two way street. During the discussions this morning I
>believe we can successfully accomplish BOTH. Kudos to the folks in Denver
>for showing us what they went through and how they overcame some of the
>obstacles. I had a great deal of fun and hope we can ALL have fun and enjoy
>2012. 
>Jason
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:conv-2012-bounces at corvair.org]
>On Behalf Of EDWARD BOURGONDIEN
>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:34 PM
>To: Michael Kovacs
>Cc: conv-2012 at corvair.org; michel paroz
>Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: More report
>
>I'm always concerned about cars getting damsged during  shows but I find it
>doesn't happen often and it is usually at multi brand open shows where a lot
>of non car peple attend.  At our councours there will be the owners sitting
>near their Corvairs and I'm sure watching over them so I don't think finger
>prints etc will be a problem.  If we can get people to come and look they
>may get interested in Corvairs.
>
>Ward
>
>On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Michael Kovacs
><kovacsmj at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>> Come to think of it, I've let spectators even sit in the car at a car
>show.
>> They
>> show an interest, so what are they gonna do? Poop on the seats?
>>
>>  MIKE KOVACS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: michel paroz <mparoz1 at gmail.com>
>> To: Vairtec Corporation <vairtec at comcast.net>
>> Cc: conv-2012 at corvair.org
>> Sent: Sat, July 30, 2011 10:06:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: More report
>>
>> Finger prints, Horor and damnation! what are we? little pink pricesses 
>> made of melting candy?
>> Like I said, I volonteer my beatifullCorvair convertible for foto op,  
>> children that the parents want o take picture of a kid in a Corvair 
>> and just all the people that want just to sit and reminise that first 
>> car my father gave me or the one that my mother in law had!
>> Michel (Mike) Paroz
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Vairtec Corporation 
>> <vairtec at comcast.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Jason wrote:
>> >
>> > > I would like to clarify one comment that Ken just made however. 
>> > > CORSA
>> > does not want
>> > > to keep the public away.
>> >
>> > I respond:
>> >
>> > Intentions may be one thing, but in practice CORSA has been highly 
>> > resistant to making events and activities more "open."  For example:
>> >
>> >
>> > Jason continued:
>> > > That being said we DO want to keep the public away from CONCOURS cars.
>> It
>> > would be very easy to have someone wander in and become so 
>> > enthralled
>> with
>> > these prestigious cars that he or she could touch one and leave
>> fingerprints
>> > on the car.
>> >
>> > And I continue:
>> >
>> > That statement is exactly what I mean by "highly resistant."  
>> > Someone might touch a car!  The horror!  The general public is not a 
>> > bunch of savages.  These are cars, not sacred artifacts.  Instead of 
>> > thinking about ways by which we can mitigate any perceived problems 
>> > and show off our best of the best, we think about ways to "keep the 
>> > public away from concours cars."
>> >
>> > Why not consider such things as
>> >
>> > - placing numerous "please do not touch" signs
>> >
>> > - Making p.a. announcements reminding people to be respectful of the 
>> > cars
>> >
>> > - instructing the judges to ignore fresh fingerprints
>> >
>> > I am perfectly willing to consider such things as putting the 
>> > concours car behind ropes, as in a museum, so that the public can 
>> > still get close enough to see and appreciate them, while being 
>> > beyond fingerprint range.  But sequestering the entire concours field
>from public access?
>> > No way.  The object should be to stop hiding the concours cars and 
>> > to include them as part of a big, big public car show.
>> >
>> > --Bob
>> >
>> >
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