CORSA 2012: Fw: CORSA 2012 Convention:

Thu Jan 26 09:29:54 EST 2012

Hi Ken,

In general, I like the idea of exhibits, and it would be neat to line up some exhibits showing the evolution of independent rear suspensions.  There are two possible alternatives:  a hardware exhibit and a poster-board exhibit.

For the hardware exhibit:

Unfortunately, the late-series Corvair has no rear subframe, so it would be difficult to exhibit anything other than a collection of trailing arms and strut rods sitting on a work bench!   And although I was kidding about the Fiat 600, we'd be faced with the same dilemma as the Fiat was a unit-body car.  Just about the only one that makes sense is the Corvette - if someone out there has a rolling Corvette StingRay chassis, that would make a great exhibit because the layout of the independent rear suspension would be clear to see.  But the odds of finding a person who owns a body-less Corvette are awfully slim.

For a post-board exhibit:

This could include photos or schematics of the suspension layouts.  It would be neat to include some diagrams showing the change in camber and toe-in as each of the "linkages" go through their range of motion.  Overall, such an exhibit might make for a great tech session, but it would take someone who knows how to create clear graphics in 3 dimensions.  Anybody willing to volunteer?

Al

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From: Ken Schifftner [mailto:scrubbr at ix.netcom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:54 PM
To: Lacki, Allan V; conv-2012 at corvair.org; neccexec at corvair.org
Subject: Re: CORSA 2012: Fw: CORSA 2012 Convention:

Al:

Maybe we should put the suspension idea on the Agenda for the February planning meeting?

Given the logistics (i.e. difficulty) in transporting the rear suspensions, I was wondering if one of the more local clubs could provide one of at least the '65, if not one of the pre-'64.  Could one (or more) of these clubs set up a nice display?

I agree that the #1 question I get at shows is why the early Corvair suspension was considered by some to be dangerous....though I'm an "early" guy, I always end my answer with a plug for the '65 and up design.  The incredulous looks I get when I try to explain the '65 and up should melt away if one of each was sitting there, exposed, for the public to see.

If there is a cost to make some nice display, we may be able to rustle up some dinero...somehow. I know I'd donate something.

I think it was good to bring up the Corvette thing....it generated some ideas.

Ken Schifftner

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>From all the replies, I can see that we don't want any 'Vettes showing up at our Convention.  But when I display my '66 Corvair at car shows, spectators are always amazed when I tell them that my $2,400 economy car has the same suspension as a '63 - '82 Corvette.  I'll concede on a ban of Corvettes at our convention, but I still think it would be a neat idea to have an exhibit showing the two suspensions side-by-side.  Al
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>Do you think a Corvair would be welcomed at a Corvette convention?
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>I'm with Al on this one.
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>I think ONE CAR if they want, but the rear suspension display idea is great and there is the tie to the Corvair.
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>I read somewhere the rear suspension design was going into the Corvair first, but Duntov was against it because he wanted the Corvettes to get it first and let the Corvairs follow the Corvette.
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>If the Corvettes were to follow the Corvair design that would not work for the model "chain of command".
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>No one wants to take away from the Corvair, but I wonder how many Corvair owners also have Corvettes?
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>Roy
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>Brian,  I am OK with Hugh Maquire's proposal, especially if the informational display includes the original Corvette-based Corvair show car, which was basically a '53 Vette with a fast-back roof.  It would also be interesting if the display includes an exhibit of the '63 to '82 Corvette rear suspension, which is nearly identical to the '65-'69 Corvair rear suspension.  The story of the Sting Ray rear suspension - the who, what, when, where and why of its development - should interest anybody who owns the second-series Corvair.  All I've ever heard about it is that it was developed by Zora Arkus-Duntov, but I doubt that he was involved in its engineering.  Al Lacki
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>Interesting!  Any comments?  I'd like to do it if no other reason than to make our convention different in as amny ways as possible.
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>Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:57:14 -0500
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>Brian Hello. My name is Hugh Maguire and I am a friend of Jim Bengiovanni (Bay State Corvairs). Jim has informed me of your July convention and I want to ask if you would like to feature a special informational display of original Corvettes on or near your show field. I represent the New England Chapter of the  National Corvette Restorers Society [NCRS]              ----  http://newenglandchapterncrs.homestead.com/   ---The NCRS has an annual chapter requirement to have an informational display at an event organized by others. Our chapter could arrange to bring a few member cars and a NCRS  information booth for one of your show days - if you wish and if there is space available etc. I plan to bring a suggestion to attend your event in some capacity to our BOD in March. Any comments pro or con?    Hugh Maguirehulin127 at verizon.net 127 Coldspring RoadWestford MA 01886
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