[FC] Bad mouthing bad service

[R. Melvin]

It just seems strange that with all the years Lon has
given excellent service, someone would chose a point
when he's recovering from surgery to air their griefs.
I've ordered parts from CU on numerous occasions and
never had a problem. I even had phone calls fron CU to
confirm orders, etc.

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>    1. RE: <VV> Calling all Canadian-built Corvairs
> (Kent Sullivan)
>    2. Re: Bad mouthing bad service (Patrick Skiver)
>    3. Car show award (TiM M)
>    4. BASHING ?RESOLVING? (N2VZD at aol.com)
>    5. Re: Re: Bad mouthing bad service (Bryan
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>    6. Re: Re: Bad mouthing bad service
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:51:37 -0700
> From: "Kent Sullivan" <kentsu at corvairkid.com>
> Subject: [FC] RE: <VV> Calling all Canadian-built
> Corvairs
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> Hi folks,
> 
> If you are on the fence about attending the
> Canadian-built Corvair show on
> Sunday, July 23 in Oshawa, ON (two weeks from
> today!), I have some great
> news that should help prod you in the "Yes"
> direction. With the help of Dave
> Newell, I have managed to track down the three
> former GM Canada employees
> who are directly responsible for the rescue and
> availability of the
> production records for the vehicles built there,
> Corvairs included of
> course. The work they started lives on as the
> Vintage Vehicle Services
> department of GM Canada.
> 
> All three of these folks are planning to attend.
> This is a
> once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to spend time with
> three fellows who are very
> important to the history of our beloved cars.
> 
> Also, we are working on advertising the show to
> current and former GM Canada
> employees through Oshawa-area media and GM Canada
> communication channels.
> And the mayor of Oshawa, CORSA Ontario's very own
> John Gray, has proclaimed
> this day "Corvair Day", which will help raise the
> event's visibility.
> 
> Here's the official blurb on the event:
> 
> This year, 2006, the annual CORSA International
> Convention is truly
> international, with activities and attractions both
> in the US and in Canada.
> These events include the Corvair Car Show in Oshawa,
> ON, on July 23 and a
> track day at Mosport in Bowmansville, ON, on July
> 24.
> 
> Sunday, July 23, 2006
> =====================
> "Corvair Day" in Oshawa, ON
> Preliminary event to the Buffalo-Niagara Falls CORSA
> Convention
> 
> Event held at:
> Holiday Inn Oshawa
> 1011 Bloor St. E
> Oshawa, ON
> (905) 576-5101
> This is directly across the street from the GM
> Canada plant.
> 
> Sunday Schedule:
> * City Welcome to "Corvair Days": 1:00 PM - 1:30 PM 
> * Canadian Made Corvair Show: 1:00 PM - 3:30 PM 
> * Drivers' Workshop for Monday track event: 2:30 PM
> - 4:00 PM 
> 
> Monday, July 24, 2006
> =====================
> NorthEast Corvair Council Time Trials at Mosport
> International Raceway,
> Bowmansville, ON
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Kent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org
> [mailto:virtualvairs-bounces at corvair.org] On Behalf
> Of Kent Sullivan
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:40 PM
> To: virtualvairs at corvair.org
> Subject: <VV> Calling all Canadian-built Corvairs
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I would like to put in a plug for the Canadian-built
> Corvair show in Oshawa,
> Ontario on Sunday, July 23. This is two days before
> the 2006 convention
> starts in Buffalo. The event is shown on the
> convention calendar.
> 
> Oshawa is about 2.5 hours north of Buffalo. The show
> site is very near the
> plant, which is still in use by GM Canada.
> 
> I am very VERY excited about the opportunity to
> visit the place where my car
> was born. In fact, I am hauling my car all the way
> from Seattle (after first
> stopping in Forest Grove, OR for their show,
> www.forestgroveconcours.org) so
> that it can "go home" forty years after it was
> built.
> 
> I don't expect you to be as nuts as I am, but if you
> live within a day or
> two's driving distance and you own a Canadian-built
> 'vair, PLEASE bring it!
> I'd love to see a good showing of Canadian-built
> 'vairs there. Some of the
> local folks are working on getting an invitation out
> to people in the Oshawa
> area who are and have been associated with the
> plant, so we'll have a chance
> to put on a good show for them. U.S.-built Corvair
> are welcome too.
> 
> --Kent
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:17:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Patrick Skiver <pnsskiver at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [FC] Re: Bad mouthing bad service
> To: corvanatics at corvair.org
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> I never understood the thought that you can't say
> anything bad about a vendor. If there is a pattern
> of service related failures I would like to know
> about it and decide on my own whether or not to due
> business with them. I do not have alot of disposible
> income to lose on parts or services and others
> experiences can save my project from failure.
>   I also do not understand the bashing people take
> when they say they are going to list an item on a On
> Line auction site for sale.I've watched the postings
> were someone needs to sell something but never seems
> to get a response. 
>   There seems to be alot of unwritten rules that
> apply to this free flowing forum that I just don't
> understand.
>   Now ,if only I could tell you about the classis
> car junkyard in Pheniox that I bought a rear door
> for my station wagon that totally stripped my door
> of everything including the glued and crimped
> aluminum trim around the glass and charged my
> $400.00 plus shipping for the door!
>   Patrick Skiver  ' 61 eight door Greenbrier
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: TiM M <mr_tim34 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [FC] Car show award
> To: FC list <corvanatics at corvair.org>
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> Okay, so I'm tooting my own horn as they say. I just
> got back from the all GM car show in Southern
> California. There were about 500 cars entered and my
> '61 Electric Rampside won the "Most Ambitious
> Project"
> award. I didn't think it was finished so I entered
> it
> as a work in progress.
> 
> Pictures can be seen at:
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/656
> 
> TiM McCann
> '61 Electric Rampside
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:07:08 EDT
> From: N2VZD at aol.com
> Subject: [FC] BASHING ?RESOLVING?
> To: corvanatics at corvair.org
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> i always thought any complaints with a vendor who
> uses C O R S A as a 
> advertising medium were supposed to be taken before
> a review committe of corsa board 
> members? 
> if problems not resolved by a reasonable means they
> were then banned from 
> communique advertising?
>  i really dont think a public forum is the bashing
> place until all other 
> means have been tried , even then i would tread
> carefully...  just my thoughts as 
> a former business owner and a customer for many
> years of many vendors.  
> in other words try to use corsa first , thats part
> of our dues priveledges i 
> think....
> 
> regards, tim colson
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:23:28 -0400
> From: Bryan Blackwell <bryan at skiblack.com>
> Subject: Re: [FC] Re: Bad mouthing bad service
> To: Corvanatics AB <corvanatics at corvair.org>
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> I'll point out (since I wrote that line) that
> there's a difference 
> between vendor bashing and reporting bad service. 
> It seems to me the 
> current thread is not vendor bashing.  Of course at
> some point it will 
> likely get out of hand.
> 
> This is vendor bashing:
> 
> "Don't buy parts from vendor X, he sucks!"
> 
> this isn't:
> 
> "I ordered this part and it really doesn't work."
> 
>  From a practical perspective, the suggestion to
> discuss this with the 
> CORSA supplier committee is a good one, Larry
> Claypool wrote a column 
> on the matter this month, in fact.
> 
> --Bryan
> 
> On Jul 9, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Patrick Skiver wrote:
> 
> > I never understood the thought that you can't say
> anything bad about a 
> > vendor.
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:36:08 -0400
> From: "mopar at jbcs2.net" <mopar at jbcs2.net>
> Subject: Re: [FC] Re: Bad mouthing bad service
> To: corvanatics at corvair.org
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> 
> I certainly do not condone vendor bashing.
> But if there is an issue, it is beneficial to be
> brought to light if all
> other avenues have failed to solve the problem.
> I would give Lon a little extra lattitude at this
> time, but he would not
> have been as successful over the years as he has
> been with continued bad
> service.
> 
> Then again, if a vendor was known to rip people off
> several times, and I
> was stung, I would scream to high heaven and let
> everyone know that would
> listen...........
> 
> I referred to a local restaurant owner as a fool in
> a club newsletter after
> he single handedly ruined the car show we had held
> at his restaurant. Not
> only did he treat us badly all day, but our DJ, and
> participants as well.
> This was a T-Bird group, not Corvair. Imagine my
> suprise when I found that
> it was OK with the club officers for the way he
> treated us as he was a
> friend of the show sponsor. I ended up getting
> thrown out of the club over
> a single word..............
> 
> IN any event, this can be a very controvercial
> topic.............
> 
> Gary Swiatowy
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Bryan Blackwell bryan at skiblack.com
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:23:28 -0400
> To: corvanatics at corvair.org
> Subject: Re: [FC] Re: Bad mouthing bad service
> 
> 
> I'll point out (since I wrote that line) that
> there's a difference 
> between vendor bashing and reporting bad service. 
> It seems to me the 
> current thread is not vendor bashing.  Of course at
> some point it will 
> likely get out of hand.
> 
> This is vendor bashing:
> 
> "Don't buy parts from vendor X, he sucks!"
> 
> this isn't:
> 
> "I ordered this part and it really doesn't work."
> 
>  From a practical perspective, the suggestion to
> discuss this with the 
> CORSA supplier committee is a good one, Larry
> Claypool wrote a column 
> on the matter this month, in fact.
> 
> --Bryan
> 
> On Jul 9, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Patrick Skiver wrote:
> 
> > I never understood the thought that you can't say
> anything bad about a 
> > vendor.
> 
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