[NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
Justin Paul
jp0181 at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 19 20:21:59 EDT 2012
Thank you! I will try all methods. Really appreciate it.
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On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:12 PM, "jjwallen" <jjwallen at cox.net> wrote:
> Justin,
>
> I have been following your message on what appears to be your fuel problem.
> By way of introduction, I am a charter member of Northern VA Corvair Club.
> I have not been very active in the club in the last few years due to health
> problems that seem to be improving. I have had several corvairs, all 1965,
> 1967 and 1969. I have not done much on model years before 1965. I suspect
> the fuel system for the earlier models and the late models are quite
> similar. I have had experience with fuel problems on vehicles that have
> been stored for years without much activity. On problem I have found begins
> with the sock type filter located at the inlet to the fuel line inside the
> fuel tank. This filter tends to become coated with a layer of shellac that
> limits or prevents fuel from entering the fuel line inside the tank. I have
> had varying degrees at solving this problem. The sure fire method is to
> remove the plate on the tank holding the fuel gauge sender and gas line and
> clear or replace the filter. Before attempting any replacement of parts I
> would recommend you run a few diagnostic tests to determine the source of
> the problem. Gasoline is a very dangerous material, and if you are not
> familiar with working with it you should rely on someone who is experienced
> to assist you.You can check the to see if the filter inside the tank is
> clogged by disconnecting the fuel line at the input to the fuel pump,
> attaching a hand vacuum pump to the line coming from the tank,and see if
> fuel flows freely. If the fuel flows freely, you know the problem is not
> between the fuel pump and the tank. If the pump produces a vacuum but
> little or no fuel you know there is most likely a blockage inside the tank.
> If the pump does not develop a vacuum, and does not produce fuel, you may:
> (1) have hole in the metal or rubber sections of the fuel line;(2) the fuel
> line inside the tank may have a leak above the fuel level; (3) sediment has
> built up inside the tank, and the fuel level is not high enough to be picked
> up (this is highly unlikely); (4) the rotating mechanism has siezed and does
> not drop down to a level where the fuel can be picked up (if the vehicle was
> parked with a substantial amount of fuel for a long period this may occur,
> but again is unlikely.
>
> If the problem is not inside the tank or the line from the tank to the fuel
> pump, you can reconnect the input to the pump, and disconnect one of the
> lines going from the fuel pump to the carburetor. If there is no fuel or
> very little fuel when you disconnect the fuel line the fuel pump is probably
> defective. You can further check the pump by attaching a flexible hose to
> the open end of the fuel line and cranking the engine. Again, be careful to
> follow safe practices for handling gasoline while doing this test.
> Typically this is done in an open area where a spark can not ignite vapors.
> The discharge end of the flexible hose typically is inserted into a stable
> container that will catch the fuel if the fuel pump is working. If there is
> not fuel, this is a pretty sure sign that the fuel pump is defective. Care
> should be exercised when changing the pump. The pump handle should not be
> operated by hand since some pumps can be damaged by overextending the
> diaphragm and causing a leak. Some corvair pumps will develop a leak which
> allows fuel to go directly into the crank case. Several years ago one of my
> son's had a low grade explosion in the crank case from this type of leak.
>
> If fuel is getting to the carbs, then your problem is probably due to the
> carbs.
>
> There are a few procedures that may be used to open up a clogged filter
> inside the tank without removing the tank. One that I used with some
> success was to disconnect the fuel line between the tank and pump and inject
> acetone into the line. I would only recommend this as an extreme measure
> since it also can be dangerous, and can harm some components in the system
> if the acetone is not flushed from the system fairly quickly, and before
> reconnecting to the fuel pump.
>
> If you are not experienced at working with automotive fuel systems, be sure
> to get someone who is to assist you, because it can be very dangerous if not
> done under proper conditions and with proper equipment.
>
> Good luck.
>
> James Wallen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Paul
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:52 PM
> To: Northern Va Corvair Club
> Subject: Re: [NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
>
> I actually dumped two gallons in, nada. The jets are not squirting?!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Darrin Hartzler <dhartzler at ifc.org> wrote:
>
>> Justin,
>>
>> The car should idle fie even if the pumps are not working. I really think
>> that the car is just out of gas right now. Dump a couple gallons in and
>> see if she will run.
>>
>> Accelerator pumps should work, as they are intact, just stiff.
>>
>> Darrin
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Justin Paul [jp0181 at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: 08/18/2012 08:11 PM AST
>> To: Northern Va Corvair Club <novacc-list at corvair.org>
>> Cc: Northern Va Corvair Club <novacc-list at corvair.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm pretty anxious to resolve this issue i would be willing to pay anyone
>> with the carb and fuel knowledge $14 for the two accelerator pumps and $40
>> or so to help resolve the fuel issue and install the pumps.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 7:30 PM, justin smalley <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for those of you who did show up and to Ron for his off
>>> hours help.I really appreciated it! My carbs were cleaned thoroughly,
>>> battery connections changed out, timing set and the comrady!
>>> Unfortunately the car made it down the road and was starving for fuel and
>>> Greg believes my accelerator pumps are bad or weak.
>>> The carbs are not squirting and that seriously sucks, but my car looks
>>> good!I know we all can't meet up all the time, but I am really trying to
>>> resolve these initial issues so I can drive this car away from home to
>>> repair the loud exhaust and etc.
>>> If any of you have 2 accelerator pumps I would gladly pay you for them,
>>> asap.
>>> I may have someone who may help me put them in, but haven't secured that
>>> as a resource yet.
>>> As always I know we are all busy, but we were so close today. Sucks when
>>> you have a beauty of a car just sitting, lol.
>>> I have some time tomorrow anyone not busy and want some gas money to come
>>> out a help a partner?!
>>> Enjoy your weekend!!!
>>> v/r
>>> Justin
>>>
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