[NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed

Justin Paul jp0181 at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 19 20:34:33 EDT 2012 

Perhaps some one can help with the fuel pump install. 

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On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Justin Paul <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you! I will try all methods. Really appreciate it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:12 PM, "jjwallen" <jjwallen at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>> Justin,
>> 
>> I have been following your message on what appears to be your fuel problem. 
>> By way of introduction, I am a charter member of Northern VA Corvair Club. 
>> I have not been very active in the club in the last few years due to health 
>> problems that seem to be improving.  I have had several corvairs,  all 1965, 
>> 1967 and 1969.  I have not done much on model years before 1965.  I suspect 
>> the fuel system for the earlier models and the late models are quite 
>> similar.  I have had experience with fuel problems on vehicles that have 
>> been stored for years without much activity.  On problem I have found begins 
>> with the sock type filter located at the inlet to the fuel line inside the 
>> fuel tank.  This filter tends to become coated with a layer of shellac that 
>> limits or prevents fuel from entering the fuel line inside the tank.  I have 
>> had varying degrees at solving this problem.  The sure fire method is to 
>> remove the plate on the tank holding the fuel gauge sender and gas line and 
>> clear or replace the filter.   Before attempting any replacement of parts I 
>> would recommend you run a few diagnostic tests to determine the source of 
>> the problem.  Gasoline is a very dangerous material, and if you are not 
>> familiar with working with it you should rely on someone who is experienced 
>> to assist you.You can check the to see if the filter inside the tank is 
>> clogged by disconnecting the fuel line at the input to the fuel pump, 
>> attaching a hand vacuum pump to the line coming from the tank,and see if 
>> fuel flows freely.  If the fuel flows freely, you know the problem is not 
>> between the fuel pump and the tank.  If the pump produces a vacuum but 
>> little or no fuel you know there is most likely a blockage inside the tank. 
>> If the pump does not develop a vacuum, and does not produce fuel, you may: 
>> (1) have hole in the metal or rubber sections of the fuel line;(2) the fuel 
>> line inside the tank may have a leak above the fuel level; (3) sediment has 
>> built up inside the tank, and the fuel level is not high enough to be picked 
>> up (this is highly unlikely); (4) the rotating mechanism has siezed and does 
>> not drop down to a level where the fuel can be picked up (if the vehicle was 
>> parked with a substantial amount of fuel for a long period this may occur, 
>> but again is unlikely.
>> 
>> If the problem is not inside the tank or the line from the tank to the fuel 
>> pump, you can reconnect the input to the pump, and disconnect one of the 
>> lines going from the fuel pump to the carburetor.  If there is no fuel or 
>> very little fuel when you disconnect the fuel line the fuel pump is probably 
>> defective.  You can further check the pump by attaching a flexible hose to 
>> the open end of the fuel line and cranking the engine.  Again, be careful to 
>> follow safe practices for handling gasoline while doing this test. 
>> Typically this is done in an open area where a spark can not ignite vapors. 
>> The discharge end of the flexible hose typically is inserted into a stable 
>> container that will catch the fuel if the fuel pump is working.  If there is 
>> not fuel, this is a pretty sure sign that the fuel pump is defective.  Care 
>> should be exercised when changing the pump.  The pump handle should not be 
>> operated by hand since some pumps can be damaged by overextending the 
>> diaphragm and causing a leak.  Some corvair pumps will develop a leak which 
>> allows fuel to go directly into the crank case.  Several years ago one of my 
>> son's  had a low grade explosion in the crank case from this type of leak.
>> 
>> If fuel is getting to the carbs, then your problem is probably due to the 
>> carbs.
>> 
>> There are a few procedures that may be used to open up a clogged filter 
>> inside the tank without removing the tank.  One that I used with some 
>> success was to disconnect the fuel line between the tank and pump and inject 
>> acetone into the line.  I would only recommend this as an extreme measure 
>> since it also can be dangerous, and can harm some components in the system 
>> if the acetone is not flushed from the system fairly quickly, and before 
>> reconnecting to the fuel pump.
>> 
>> If you are not experienced at working with automotive fuel systems, be sure 
>> to get someone who is to assist you, because it can be very dangerous if not 
>> done under proper conditions and with proper equipment.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> James Wallen
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Justin Paul
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:52 PM
>> To: Northern Va Corvair Club
>> Subject: Re: [NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
>> 
>> I actually dumped two gallons in, nada. The jets are not squirting?!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Darrin Hartzler <dhartzler at ifc.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Justin,
>>> 
>>> The car should idle fie even if the pumps are not working.  I really think 
>>> that the car is just out of gas right now.  Dump a couple gallons in and 
>>> see if she will run.
>>> 
>>> Accelerator pumps should work, as they are intact, just stiff.
>>> 
>>> Darrin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Justin Paul [jp0181 at yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: 08/18/2012 08:11 PM AST
>>> To: Northern Va Corvair Club <novacc-list at corvair.org>
>>> Cc: Northern Va Corvair Club <novacc-list at corvair.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty anxious to resolve this issue i would be willing to pay anyone 
>>> with the carb and fuel knowledge $14 for the two accelerator pumps and $40 
>>> or so to help resolve the fuel issue and install the pumps.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 7:30 PM, justin smalley <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you all for those of you who did show up and to Ron for his off 
>>>> hours help.I really appreciated it! My carbs were cleaned thoroughly, 
>>>> battery connections changed out, timing set and the comrady!
>>>> Unfortunately the car made it down the road and was starving for fuel and 
>>>> Greg believes my accelerator pumps are bad or weak.
>>>> The carbs are not squirting and that seriously sucks, but my car looks 
>>>> good!I know we all can't meet up all the time, but I am really trying to 
>>>> resolve these initial issues so I can drive this car away from home to 
>>>> repair the loud exhaust and etc.
>>>> If any of you have 2 accelerator pumps I would gladly pay you for them, 
>>>> asap.
>>>> I may have someone who may help me put them in, but haven't secured that 
>>>> as a resource yet.
>>>> As always I know we are all busy, but we were so close today. Sucks when 
>>>> you have a beauty of a car just sitting, lol.
>>>> I have some time tomorrow anyone not busy and want some gas money to come 
>>>> out a help a partner?!
>>>> Enjoy your weekend!!!
>>>> v/r
>>>> Justin
>>>> 
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