[NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
Justin Paul
jp0181 at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 19 20:54:43 EDT 2012
Or an extra battery charger or jump start I can borrow. Would be appreciated. I'm in the process of trying to get things.
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On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Justin Paul <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> If anyone has an extra pump they all apparently fit eachother?!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Justin Paul <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you! I will try all methods. Really appreciate it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:12 PM, "jjwallen" <jjwallen at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Justin,
>>>
>>> I have been following your message on what appears to be your fuel problem.
>>> By way of introduction, I am a charter member of Northern VA Corvair Club.
>>> I have not been very active in the club in the last few years due to health
>>> problems that seem to be improving. I have had several corvairs, all 1965,
>>> 1967 and 1969. I have not done much on model years before 1965. I suspect
>>> the fuel system for the earlier models and the late models are quite
>>> similar. I have had experience with fuel problems on vehicles that have
>>> been stored for years without much activity. On problem I have found begins
>>> with the sock type filter located at the inlet to the fuel line inside the
>>> fuel tank. This filter tends to become coated with a layer of shellac that
>>> limits or prevents fuel from entering the fuel line inside the tank. I have
>>> had varying degrees at solving this problem. The sure fire method is to
>>> remove the plate on the tank holding the fuel gauge sender and gas line and
>>> clear or replace the filter. Before attempting any replacement of parts I
>>> would recommend you run a few diagnostic tests to determine the source of
>>> the problem. Gasoline is a very dangerous material, and if you are not
>>> familiar with working with it you should rely on someone who is experienced
>>> to assist you.You can check the to see if the filter inside the tank is
>>> clogged by disconnecting the fuel line at the input to the fuel pump,
>>> attaching a hand vacuum pump to the line coming from the tank,and see if
>>> fuel flows freely. If the fuel flows freely, you know the problem is not
>>> between the fuel pump and the tank. If the pump produces a vacuum but
>>> little or no fuel you know there is most likely a blockage inside the tank.
>>> If the pump does not develop a vacuum, and does not produce fuel, you may:
>>> (1) have hole in the metal or rubber sections of the fuel line;(2) the fuel
>>> line inside the tank may have a leak above the fuel level; (3) sediment has
>>> built up inside the tank, and the fuel level is not high enough to be picked
>>> up (this is highly unlikely); (4) the rotating mechanism has siezed and does
>>> not drop down to a level where the fuel can be picked up (if the vehicle was
>>> parked with a substantial amount of fuel for a long period this may occur,
>>> but again is unlikely.
>>>
>>> If the problem is not inside the tank or the line from the tank to the fuel
>>> pump, you can reconnect the input to the pump, and disconnect one of the
>>> lines going from the fuel pump to the carburetor. If there is no fuel or
>>> very little fuel when you disconnect the fuel line the fuel pump is probably
>>> defective. You can further check the pump by attaching a flexible hose to
>>> the open end of the fuel line and cranking the engine. Again, be careful to
>>> follow safe practices for handling gasoline while doing this test.
>>> Typically this is done in an open area where a spark can not ignite vapors.
>>> The discharge end of the flexible hose typically is inserted into a stable
>>> container that will catch the fuel if the fuel pump is working. If there is
>>> not fuel, this is a pretty sure sign that the fuel pump is defective. Care
>>> should be exercised when changing the pump. The pump handle should not be
>>> operated by hand since some pumps can be damaged by overextending the
>>> diaphragm and causing a leak. Some corvair pumps will develop a leak which
>>> allows fuel to go directly into the crank case. Several years ago one of my
>>> son's had a low grade explosion in the crank case from this type of leak.
>>>
>>> If fuel is getting to the carbs, then your problem is probably due to the
>>> carbs.
>>>
>>> There are a few procedures that may be used to open up a clogged filter
>>> inside the tank without removing the tank. One that I used with some
>>> success was to disconnect the fuel line between the tank and pump and inject
>>> acetone into the line. I would only recommend this as an extreme measure
>>> since it also can be dangerous, and can harm some components in the system
>>> if the acetone is not flushed from the system fairly quickly, and before
>>> reconnecting to the fuel pump.
>>>
>>> If you are not experienced at working with automotive fuel systems, be sure
>>> to get someone who is to assist you, because it can be very dangerous if not
>>> done under proper conditions and with proper equipment.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> James Wallen
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Justin Paul
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:52 PM
>>> To: Northern Va Corvair Club
>>> Subject: Re: [NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
>>>
>>> I actually dumped two gallons in, nada. The jets are not squirting?!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Darrin Hartzler <dhartzler at ifc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Justin,
>>>>
>>>> The car should idle fie even if the pumps are not working. I really think
>>>> that the car is just out of gas right now. Dump a couple gallons in and
>>>> see if she will run.
>>>>
>>>> Accelerator pumps should work, as they are intact, just stiff.
>>>>
>>>> Darrin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Justin Paul [jp0181 at yahoo.com]
>>>> Sent: 08/18/2012 08:11 PM AST
>>>> To: Northern Va Corvair Club <novacc-list at corvair.org>
>>>> Cc: Northern Va Corvair Club <novacc-list at corvair.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty anxious to resolve this issue i would be willing to pay anyone
>>>> with the carb and fuel knowledge $14 for the two accelerator pumps and $40
>>>> or so to help resolve the fuel issue and install the pumps.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 7:30 PM, justin smalley <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you all for those of you who did show up and to Ron for his off
>>>>> hours help.I really appreciated it! My carbs were cleaned thoroughly,
>>>>> battery connections changed out, timing set and the comrady!
>>>>> Unfortunately the car made it down the road and was starving for fuel and
>>>>> Greg believes my accelerator pumps are bad or weak.
>>>>> The carbs are not squirting and that seriously sucks, but my car looks
>>>>> good!I know we all can't meet up all the time, but I am really trying to
>>>>> resolve these initial issues so I can drive this car away from home to
>>>>> repair the loud exhaust and etc.
>>>>> If any of you have 2 accelerator pumps I would gladly pay you for them,
>>>>> asap.
>>>>> I may have someone who may help me put them in, but haven't secured that
>>>>> as a resource yet.
>>>>> As always I know we are all busy, but we were so close today. Sucks when
>>>>> you have a beauty of a car just sitting, lol.
>>>>> I have some time tomorrow anyone not busy and want some gas money to come
>>>>> out a help a partner?!
>>>>> Enjoy your weekend!!!
>>>>> v/r
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
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