[NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed

Justin Paul jp0181 at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 19 21:00:08 EDT 2012 

After reading up. The later models pump can be used I just have to use the later models pushrod.

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On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Justin Paul <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Or an extra battery charger or jump start I can borrow. Would be appreciated. I'm in the process of trying to get things.
> 
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> On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Justin Paul <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> If anyone has an extra pump they all apparently fit eachother?!
>> 
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>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Justin Paul <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you! I will try all methods. Really appreciate it.
>>> 
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>>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:12 PM, "jjwallen" <jjwallen at cox.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Justin,
>>>> 
>>>> I have been following your message on what appears to be your fuel problem. 
>>>> By way of introduction, I am a charter member of Northern VA Corvair Club. 
>>>> I have not been very active in the club in the last few years due to health 
>>>> problems that seem to be improving.  I have had several corvairs,  all 1965, 
>>>> 1967 and 1969.  I have not done much on model years before 1965.  I suspect 
>>>> the fuel system for the earlier models and the late models are quite 
>>>> similar.  I have had experience with fuel problems on vehicles that have 
>>>> been stored for years without much activity.  On problem I have found begins 
>>>> with the sock type filter located at the inlet to the fuel line inside the 
>>>> fuel tank.  This filter tends to become coated with a layer of shellac that 
>>>> limits or prevents fuel from entering the fuel line inside the tank.  I have 
>>>> had varying degrees at solving this problem.  The sure fire method is to 
>>>> remove the plate on the tank holding the fuel gauge sender and gas line and 
>>>> clear or replace the filter.   Before attempting any replacement of parts I 
>>>> would recommend you run a few diagnostic tests to determine the source of 
>>>> the problem.  Gasoline is a very dangerous material, and if you are not 
>>>> familiar with working with it you should rely on someone who is experienced 
>>>> to assist you.You can check the to see if the filter inside the tank is 
>>>> clogged by disconnecting the fuel line at the input to the fuel pump, 
>>>> attaching a hand vacuum pump to the line coming from the tank,and see if 
>>>> fuel flows freely.  If the fuel flows freely, you know the problem is not 
>>>> between the fuel pump and the tank.  If the pump produces a vacuum but 
>>>> little or no fuel you know there is most likely a blockage inside the tank. 
>>>> If the pump does not develop a vacuum, and does not produce fuel, you may: 
>>>> (1) have hole in the metal or rubber sections of the fuel line;(2) the fuel 
>>>> line inside the tank may have a leak above the fuel level; (3) sediment has 
>>>> built up inside the tank, and the fuel level is not high enough to be picked 
>>>> up (this is highly unlikely); (4) the rotating mechanism has siezed and does 
>>>> not drop down to a level where the fuel can be picked up (if the vehicle was 
>>>> parked with a substantial amount of fuel for a long period this may occur, 
>>>> but again is unlikely.
>>>> 
>>>> If the problem is not inside the tank or the line from the tank to the fuel 
>>>> pump, you can reconnect the input to the pump, and disconnect one of the 
>>>> lines going from the fuel pump to the carburetor.  If there is no fuel or 
>>>> very little fuel when you disconnect the fuel line the fuel pump is probably 
>>>> defective.  You can further check the pump by attaching a flexible hose to 
>>>> the open end of the fuel line and cranking the engine.  Again, be careful to 
>>>> follow safe practices for handling gasoline while doing this test. 
>>>> Typically this is done in an open area where a spark can not ignite vapors. 
>>>> The discharge end of the flexible hose typically is inserted into a stable 
>>>> container that will catch the fuel if the fuel pump is working.  If there is 
>>>> not fuel, this is a pretty sure sign that the fuel pump is defective.  Care 
>>>> should be exercised when changing the pump.  The pump handle should not be 
>>>> operated by hand since some pumps can be damaged by overextending the 
>>>> diaphragm and causing a leak.  Some corvair pumps will develop a leak which 
>>>> allows fuel to go directly into the crank case.  Several years ago one of my 
>>>> son's  had a low grade explosion in the crank case from this type of leak.
>>>> 
>>>> If fuel is getting to the carbs, then your problem is probably due to the 
>>>> carbs.
>>>> 
>>>> There are a few procedures that may be used to open up a clogged filter 
>>>> inside the tank without removing the tank.  One that I used with some 
>>>> success was to disconnect the fuel line between the tank and pump and inject 
>>>> acetone into the line.  I would only recommend this as an extreme measure 
>>>> since it also can be dangerous, and can harm some components in the system 
>>>> if the acetone is not flushed from the system fairly quickly, and before 
>>>> reconnecting to the fuel pump.
>>>> 
>>>> If you are not experienced at working with automotive fuel systems, be sure 
>>>> to get someone who is to assist you, because it can be very dangerous if not 
>>>> done under proper conditions and with proper equipment.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck.
>>>> 
>>>> James Wallen
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Justin Paul
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:52 PM
>>>> To: Northern Va Corvair Club
>>>> Subject: Re: [NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
>>>> 
>>>> I actually dumped two gallons in, nada. The jets are not squirting?!
>>>> 
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>>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Darrin Hartzler <dhartzler at ifc.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Justin,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The car should idle fie even if the pumps are not working.  I really think 
>>>>> that the car is just out of gas right now.  Dump a couple gallons in and 
>>>>> see if she will run.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Accelerator pumps should work, as they are intact, just stiff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Darrin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Justin Paul [jp0181 at yahoo.com]
>>>>> Sent: 08/18/2012 08:11 PM AST
>>>>> To: Northern Va Corvair Club <novacc-list at corvair.org>
>>>>> Cc: Northern Va Corvair Club <novacc-list at corvair.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NoVa-Corvairs] August Meeting and Work Completed
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm pretty anxious to resolve this issue i would be willing to pay anyone 
>>>>> with the carb and fuel knowledge $14 for the two accelerator pumps and $40 
>>>>> or so to help resolve the fuel issue and install the pumps.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 7:30 PM, justin smalley <jp0181 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you all for those of you who did show up and to Ron for his off 
>>>>>> hours help.I really appreciated it! My carbs were cleaned thoroughly, 
>>>>>> battery connections changed out, timing set and the comrady!
>>>>>> Unfortunately the car made it down the road and was starving for fuel and 
>>>>>> Greg believes my accelerator pumps are bad or weak.
>>>>>> The carbs are not squirting and that seriously sucks, but my car looks 
>>>>>> good!I know we all can't meet up all the time, but I am really trying to 
>>>>>> resolve these initial issues so I can drive this car away from home to 
>>>>>> repair the loud exhaust and etc.
>>>>>> If any of you have 2 accelerator pumps I would gladly pay you for them, 
>>>>>> asap.
>>>>>> I may have someone who may help me put them in, but haven't secured that 
>>>>>> as a resource yet.
>>>>>> As always I know we are all busy, but we were so close today. Sucks when 
>>>>>> you have a beauty of a car just sitting, lol.
>>>>>> I have some time tomorrow anyone not busy and want some gas money to come 
>>>>>> out a help a partner?!
>>>>>> Enjoy your weekend!!!
>>>>>> v/r
>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>> 
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