Fw: [SCG] Re: 64 vair

Tue Oct 25 16:36:50 EDT 2005

Thanks for the clarification Dave.  That makes sense as you write it - still is nice to try to match the paint codes with the paint, however, especially for somebody working on a restoration.

I do not have a firm fix on the changeover in '64 Body Plate style yet.  I would like to see that and many other projects worked out by compiling a database -- I have a very crude one in the Excel file.  As we get more organized, it would be nice to take photos of each Corvair's Body Plates and store them in a database along with other key photos of the car, so as to help date mid-year changes, etc.

I would like to take this opportunity to encourage all SCG members to begin taking those digital photos.  Don't limit your research to just your own cars - get out and photograph your club members' cars.

Take photos of the Body Plate, VIN plate, and detail photos of anything else that catches your eye.

We are especially interested in options or changes in design, etc.

If you do not have the space to store the digital files, send them to me -- I seem to be collecting Hard Drives lately (I have about a Terabyte of HD space now).  Eventually we will get them into the database.

Bill Hubbell
SCG President
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: chevrobilia at juno.com 
  To: whubbell at umich.edu 
  Cc: crawfordrose at msn.com ; scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:06 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: [SCG] Re: 64 vair

  Bill,
  It's easy to get confused using the Ditzler and other paint supplier charts. Their application data is secondhand and can't always be relied on.

  Let's start with the basics, even though I think you've figured some of this out:

  The letter codes indicate the color of the painted metal in the interior, which often includes gloss, semi-gloss and gloss finishes,  sometimes in more than one shade, depending on the year. Most of the time the dash is a darker shade than the door paint, and you'll also see the contrast in two-tone steering wheels. 

  So the "F", for example, refers to ALL the component shades of Fawn interior paint that are used with RPO 758 Fawn Trim (upholstery) in Spyders & Monzas, RPO 757 in 700s and RPO 764 in 500s for 1964.

  There is only one "F". 

  Code Q was definitely used on Corvairs: the door metal and trim (door panels & seat upholstery) were Ivory, and the dash, steering wheel, kick panels, and carpet were red. Q is correctly referred to by Chevy as "White/Red" because it is made up of Ivory and red paint! The trim code was RPO 727.

  Because Q/727 was so unique, it was only available with 5 exterior colors: Black, White, both reds and (this one I'd love to see!) Satin Silver!

  So, it's all very simple:

  A = Aqua
  B = Blue
  C = Saddle
  D = Red
  E = Black
  F = Fawn
  Q = White/Red

  Have you done any research on the two different 64 body plate designs? It looks to me like the second design 64 body plate came in at the end of October. I have a 10E plate coded "OE" with no "64" in the Style...looks like a goof in the transition. All my plates 11B and later are the new style, with the interior paint code letter below the word "PAINT" rather than as a "-X" suffix after the exterior paint code.

  Hope this helps,

  Dave

  On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:20:13 -0400 "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at cox.net> writes:
    OK, if I put all the letter codes in the Ditzler paint chart, it looks like this:  Is it correct?
    The Ditzler chart says Ivory is not used on Corvair, so is code Q really for ivory?

    The only car I know of with code Q is Smitty's "Grape" which has White painted interior with dark red dash.  Could the Ditzler chart be wrong about Ivory?  

    Are you saying that F is the code for Light Fawn as well as for Medium Fawn?  How would they tell which one to use?

    Bill

    These charts taken from Ditzler Paint Chart - 1964 Chevrolet

          Chevrolet Interior Colors - All Models

          Gloss Colors

          USED ON:
         Windshield, Upper and Side Garish Moldings, Windshield Header Molding and Frame, Door Window Inner Frames, Door Inner Panel,  (Belt Area) Rear Quarter Window Garnish Moldings - front and upper.  Rear Quarter Inner Panel.  (Belt Area) Back Window Garnish Molding.  Tailgate Window opening, Upper and Side Garnish Molding.  Radio Auxiliary Speaker Grille Assembly.  Rear Seat Back Radio Speaker Support.  Folding Top Dust Boot Retainer.  Folding Top Parts.  Seat Parts.  Spare Tire Well Parts.

          COLOR NAME
         DL DITZLER

          CODE

          Q
         **
         Ivory
         8259

          E

         Black
         9248

          B

         Medium Blue Poly.
         12531

          A

         Medium Aqua Poly.
         12533

          C

         Medium Saddle Poly.
         22162

          F

         Medium Fawn Poly.
         22454

         Light Fawn
         22459

         ***
         Silver Poly.
         32176

         ***
         Medium Olive Poly.
         43294

          D

         Medium Red
         71276

          USED ON:

          Rear Trunk Compartment

          DX-1676

          Chevrolet Interior Colors - All Models

          Flat Colors

          USED ON:
         Instrument Panel and Steering Column Parts, Windshield, Lower Garnish Molding, Radio Speaker Grill

          COLOR NAME
         DIA DITZLER

          CODE

         **
         Black
         9317

         Dark Aqua Poly.
         12753

         Dark Blue Poly.
         12754

         Dark Saddle
         22306

         Medium Fawn
         22455

         **
         Dark Green Poly.
         43295

         Dark Red
         71360

      ** Not used on Corvair

    *** Not used on 5000 Series, Corvair or Chevy II

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: chevrobilia at juno.com 
      To: whubbell at umich.edu 
      Cc: crawfordrose at msn.com ; scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com 
      Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:51 PM
      Subject: Re: [SCG] Re: 64 vair

      Bill,
      Thanks! Here are the other letter codes:
      D = Red, all models

      C = Saddle

      F is for all Fawn in all models

      Dave

      On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:32:06 -0400 "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at cox.net> writes:
        Here is a Word file I made once which contains the paint codes for 1964 interiors.  I took the information off the paint chip chart I mentioned below.  It does not reference the single letter codes used on the body plates, but we are generally able to translate those codes.  For instance, we know that:

        A=medium Aqua Poly. (12533)
        B=Medium Blue Poly (12531)
        E=Black (9248)
        F=Fawn (but I'm not sure which one)
        Q=Ivory (8259)

        I am still looking for the rest of the letter codes

        I have also attached my database (Excel file) of Corvair VINs, body Tags, and options.  I am always looking to add to this file.  Of course, it would be better to put it in a true database file, but that has to wait until we get the SCG database up and running.

        Bill
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