Fw: [SCG] Re: 64 vair
chevrobilia at juno.com
chevrobilia at juno.com
Wed Oct 26 15:27:30 EDT 2005
Thanks Rich! That confirms what we'd thought. So then, the next question
would be to confirm that aqua, blue, and fawn did have two tone wheels.
Dave
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:41:40 -0400 Richard W Thompson
<Richard.W.Thompson at usa.dupont.com> writes:
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>
>
> Guys,
>
> On steering wheels: all gloss levels were at 60%. Formulas on the
> paints
> (at least the DuPont colors) relfect that. No flats. They do become
> glossier with handling, skin oils, etc. over time and use. Since I
> restore
> steeirng wheels from time to time for members and others, I am very
> familiar with the colors and glosses.
>
> Black, red, and saddle wheels for the corresponding interiors were
> solid
> colors, not two tones. DuPont records show this and I have seen same
> on
> cars that I have owned and other cars I have seen.
>
> For what it is worth.
>
> Rich
>
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> chevrobilia at juno.
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> com
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> Subject
> Re: Fw: [SCG] Re: 64 vair
>
> 10/25/2005 11:18
>
> PM
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> Hi,
> I believe all Corvair steering wheels for all years were 60%. The
> black
> ones, especially '65s, were very glossy. They have to have gloss, or
> finger
> oil would make them look lousy after awhile.
>
> I have a hunch that black (duh!), Saddle and Red didn't use the
> two tone
> wheels. Only "reports from the field" will confirm!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:47:50 -0400 "Bill Hubbell"
> <whubbell at cox.net>
> writes:
> Eh. I just copied the words from the Ditzler chart.
>
> I am not sure about the steering wheels. I have been told by
> somebody
> (maybe Larry Claypool?) that they were originally flat, like the
> dash, but
> get polished by handling. I have never really believed this,
> though.
>
> You're may be right about the steering wheel. I wondered what
> the 60%
> gloss Dark Blue, Aqua, and Medium Fawn paints were for. As for the
> Red,
> Black, Saddle wheels, I don't know for sure, but I think that
> they did
> not have two tones (Black/Black would look rather dull, wouldn't
> it?).
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: chevrobilia at juno.com
> To: whubbell at umich.edu
> Cc: scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [SCG] Re: 64 vair
>
> Wow, you've been busy! Really good job, and I think you're
> almost
> there.
>
> The descriptions of the various 60% areas may need to be polished
> a bit
> and commented on by everyone, based on their cars. What do you
> mean by
> "Tailgate window opening"? I like the one "Garish Molding"
> though...you
> should leave that in!
>
> You're left out the steering wheel, which I believe should be
> 60%
> gloss. I think at least some 64 Spyder & Monza interior used two
> tone
> steering wheels, didn't they? Obviously black didn't. The darker
> color on
> two-tone wheels would be the majority of the wheel, I think,
> with only
> the lighter color used on the top and bottom sections.
>
> This could explain the three 60% gloss listings in Chevy's
> interior paint
> chart for the darker interior colors: Dark Blue 60% Gloss Ditzler
> #96221;
> Dark Aqua 60% Gloss Ditzler 9012-L; and Medium Fawn 60% Gloss
> Ditzler
> 4527-L. Perhaps these were the main steering wheel colors.
>
> There aren't any listings for a Dark Red 60% Gloss or Dark Saddle
> 60%
> Gloss, so perhaps Red and Saddle Spyder & Monza interiors didn't
> use
> two-tone wheels? Or perhaps those colors were omitted in error? It
> would
> be interesting to keep track of which interior colors out there
> actually
> have two-tone steering wheels.
>
> You're making great progress!
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:59:16 -0400 "Bill Hubbell"
> <whubbell at cox.net>
> writes:
> OK, How this? (Attached File)
>
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: chevrobilia at juno.com
> To: whubbell at umich.edu
> Cc: scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [SCG] Re: 64 vair
>
> Bill,
> Yes, of course, that should be the goal...to nail down the paint
> codes
> for each interior area and component. The attached Interior
> Paint chart
> should help. Fortunately there were only two types of interior
> paint in
> '64: semi-gloss (60% gloss, shown as "60" in the chart) and Flat
> (0%
> gloss).
>
> Note that there's no Flat Ivory listed since Ivory was used on
> the door
> metal only, as 60% gloss.
>
> A body plate database will be a great tool.
>
> I'M can tell you that the body plate change occurred somewhere
> between
> 10A and 10E. I'M have three 10A plates and they're all the
> first
> design. The change should be easy to pin down.
>
> All: the first design used a stamped border ridge all the way
> around
> the perimeter of the plate, and the second design had the ridge
> on the
> top and bottom sides only. There were other differences, but
> that's the
> most obvious.
>
> Keep up the great work,
> Dave
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:36:50 -0400 "Bill Hubbell"
> <whubbell at cox.net>
> writes:
> Thanks for the clarification Dave. That makes sense as you
> write it -
> still is nice to try to match the paint codes with the paint,
> however,
> especially for somebody working on a restoration.
>
> I'M do not have a firm fix on the changeover in '64 Body Plate
> style
> yet. I'M would like to see that and many other projects worked
> out by
> compiling a database -- I'M have a very crude one in the Excel
> file.
> As we get more organized, it would be nice to take photos of
> each
> Corvair's Body Plates and store them in a database along with
> other
> key photos of the car, so as to help date mid-year changes,
> etc.
>
> I'M would like to take this opportunity to encourage all SCG
> members
> to begin taking those digital photos. Don't limit your
> research to
> just your own cars - get out and photograph your club members'
> cars.
>
> Take photos of the Body Plate, VIN plate, and detail photos of
> anything else that catches your eye.
>
> We are especially interested in options or changes in design,
> etc.
>
> If you do not have the space to store the digital files, send
> them to
> me -- I'M seem to be collecting Hard Drives lately (I'M have
> about a
> Terabyte of HD space now). Eventually we will get them into
> the
> database.
>
> Bill Hubbell
> SCG President
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: chevrobilia at juno.com
> To: whubbell at umich.edu
> Cc: crawfordrose at msn.com ; scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [SCG] Re: 64 vair
>
> Bill,
> It's easy to get confused using the Ditzler and other paint
> supplier
> charts. Their application data is secondhand and can't always
> be
> relied on.
>
> Let's start with the basics, even though I think you've
> figured some
> of this out:
>
> The letter codes indicate the color of the painted metal in
> the
> interior, which often includes gloss, semi-gloss and gloss
> finishes,
> sometimes in more than one shade, depending on the year. Most
> of the
> time the dash is a darker shade than the door paint, and
> you'll also
> see the contrast in two-tone steering wheels.
>
> So the "F", for example, refers to ALL the component shades of
> Fawn
> interior paint that are used with RPO 758 Fawn Trim
> (upholstery) in
> Spyders & Monzas, RPO 757 in 700s and RPO 764 in 500s for
> 1964.
>
> There is only one "F".
>
> Code Q was definitely used on Corvairs: the door metal and
> trim (door
> panels & seat upholstery) were Ivory, and the dash, steering
> wheel,
> kick panels, and carpet were red. Q is correctly referred to
> by Chevy
> as "White/Red" because it is made up of Ivory and red paint!
> The trim
> code was RPO 727.
>
> Because Q/727 was so unique, it was only available with 5
> exterior
> colors: Black, White, both reds and (this one I'd love to
> see!) Satin
> Silver!
>
> So, it's all very simple:
>
> A = Aqua
> B = Blue
> C = Saddle
> D = Red
> E = Black
> F = Fawn
> Q = White/Red
>
> Have you done any research on the two different 64 body plate
> designs? It looks to me like the second design 64 body plate
> came in
> at the end of October. I have a 10E plate coded "OE" with no
> "64" in
> the Style...looks like a goof in the transition. All my plates
> 11B
> and later are the new style, with the interior paint code
> letter
> below the word "PAINT" rather than as a "-X" suffix after the
> exterior paint code.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:20:13 -0400 "Bill Hubbell"
> <whubbell at cox.net>
> writes:
> OK, if I put all the letter codes in the Ditzler paint chart,
> it
> looks like this: Is it correct?
> The Ditzler chart says Ivory is not used on Corvair, so is
> code Q
> really for ivory?
> The only car I know of with code Q is Smitty's "Grape" which
> has
> White painted interior with dark red dash. Could the Ditzler
> chart
> be wrong about Ivory?
>
> Are you saying that F is the code for Light Fawn as well as
> for
> Medium Fawn? How would they tell which one to use?
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> These charts taken from Ditzler Paint Chart ? 1964
> Chevrolet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chevrolet
>
> Interior
>
> Colors ? All
>
> Models
>
> Gloss Colors
>
>
>
>
>
> USED ON: Winds
>
> hield
>
> ,
>
> Upper
>
> and
>
> Side
>
> Garis
>
> h
>
> Moldi
>
> ngs,
>
> Winds
>
> hield
>
> Heade
>
> r
>
> Moldi
>
> ng
>
> and
>
> Frame
>
> ,
>
> Door
>
> Windo
>
> w
>
> Inner
>
> Frame
>
> s,
>
> Door
>
> Inner
>
> Panel
>
> ,
>
> (Belt
>
> Area)
>
> Rear
>
> Quart
>
> er
>
> Windo
>
> w
>
> Garni
>
> sh
>
> Moldi
>
> ngs ?
>
> front
>
> and
>
> upper
>
> .
>
> Rear
>
> Quart
>
> er
>
> Inner
>
> Panel
>
> .
>
> (Belt
>
> Area)
>
> Back
>
> Windo
>
> w
>
> Garni
>
> sh
>
> Moldi
>
> ng.
>
> Tailg
>
> ate
>
> Windo
>
> w
>
> openi
>
> ng,
>
> Upper
>
> and
>
> Side
>
> Garni
>
> sh
>
> Moldi
>
> ng.
>
> Radio
>
> Auxil
>
> iary
>
> Speak
>
> er
>
> Grill
>
> e
>
> Assem
>
> bly.
>
> Rear
>
> Seat
>
> Back
>
> Radio
>
> Speak
>
> er
>
> Suppo
>
> rt.
>
> Foldi
>
> ng
>
> Top
>
> Dust
>
> Boot
>
> Retai
>
> ner.
>
> Foldi
>
> ng
>
> Top
>
> Parts
>
> .
>
> Seat
>
> Parts
>
> .
>
> Spare
>
> Tire
>
> Well
>
> Parts
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> DL
> DITZLER
> COLOR
> CODE
> NAME
>
>
>
> Q ** Ivory
> 8259
>
>
> E Black
> 9248
>
>
> B Medium Blue Poly.
> 12531
>
>
> A Medium Aqua Poly.
> 12533
>
>
> C Medium Saddle Poly.
> 22162
>
>
> F Medium Fawn Poly.
> 22454
>
>
> Light Fawn
> 22459
>
>
> *** Silver Poly.
> 32176
>
>
> *** Medium Olive Poly.
> 43294
>
>
> D Medium Red
> 71276
>
>
>
>
> USED ON: Rear
> DX-1676
> Trunk
>
> Compa
>
> rtmen
>
> t
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chevrolet
>
> Interior
>
> Colors ? All
>
> Models
>
> Flat Colors
>
>
>
>
>
> USED ON: Instr
>
> ument
>
> Panel
>
> and
>
> Steer
>
> ing
>
> Colum
>
> n
>
> Parts
>
> ,
>
> Winds
>
> hield
>
> ,
>
> Lower
>
> Garni
>
> sh
>
> Moldi
>
> ng,
>
> Radio
>
> Speak
>
> er
>
> Grill
>
>
>
>
>
> DIA
> DITZLER
> COLOR
> CODE
> NAME
>
>
>
> ** Black
> 9317
>
>
> Dark Aqua Poly.
> 12753
>
>
> Dark Blue Poly.
> 12754
>
>
> Dark Saddle
> 22306
>
>
> Medium Fawn
> 22455
>
>
> ** Dark Green Poly.
> 43295
>
>
> Dark Red
> 71360
>
>
>
>
>
> ** Not used on Corvair
> *** Not used on 5000 Series, Corvair or Chevy II
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: chevrobilia at juno.com
> To: whubbell at umich.edu
> Cc: crawfordrose at msn.com ; scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [SCG] Re: 64 vair
>
> Bill,
> Thanks! Here are the other letter codes:
> D = Red, all models
>
> C = Saddle
>
> F is for all Fawn in all models
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:32:06 -0400 "Bill Hubbell"
> <whubbell at cox.net>
> writes:
> Here is a Word file I made once which contains the paint
> codes for
> 1964 interiors. I took the information off the paint chip
> chart I
> mentioned below. It does not reference the single letter
> codes
> used on the body plates, but we are generally able to
> translate
> those codes. For instance, we know that:
>
> A=medium Aqua Poly. (12533)
> B=Medium Blue Poly (12531)
> E=Black (9248)
> F=Fawn (but I'm not sure which one)
> Q=Ivory (8259)
>
> I am still looking for the rest of the letter codes
>
> I have also attached my database (Excel file) of Corvair
> VINs,
> body Tags, and options. I am always looking to add to this
> file.
> Of course, it would be better to put it in a true database
> file,
> but that has to wait until we get the SCG database up and
> running.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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