[SCG] RE: Interior Color Code on Trim Plate - 1964

Fri Aug 3 14:40:16 EDT 2007

Hi all you Guys,

Please remove my email address from all of your mailing lists because I am tired of getting tons of emails every time someone finds a tag or car or something. I gave out my email address at the convention to you assuming it would be used to keep me informed of events, not every bit of minutiae that is out there. I must have received 50 emails since the convention and frankly none really interested me. I also get pissed off when everyone sends a "reply all" to every email. Please take me off all your lists and if necessary remove my name from your "Stock group".

Thanks, Don Buchanan.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Hubbell 
  To: 'Dale Hewitt' 
  Cc: 'Scg-List at Tiger. Skiblack. Com' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:35 AM
  Subject: [SCG] RE: Interior Color Code on Trim Plate - 1964

  Dale (with cc to SCG-list)

  Thanks for sending the photo of your Fisher Body Tag.  It is a 10D tag - I had been missing that one from my on-line database and have added it.

  You can view the entire database here: http://rides.webshots.com/album/552937869fLgqrp

  As you can see from viewing the photos, Fisher body used three different styles of tags in 1964, and it currently looks like your 10D is the last week of the 1st style, although the only tag we have for the 5th week of October (we think) is an odd plate with an 0E designation (instead of 10E) that is also missing the year designation in the "STYLE" section.  So we are still looking for other tags from the 5th week of October 1964 that might shed more light on this mystery.

  The change in location of the interior paint code occurred along with the change in the body plate.  Who knows why they changed it?

  The Trim code number only referred to the upholstery color, whereas the letter code refers to the interior paint color.  The two codes were probably used because not all cars have the same color for both - for instance, you could get white upholstery with a red paint interior:

  Trim Code 727 = Ivory Imitation Leather

  Paint Code Q  = Ivory for all but steering wheel hub and dash.

  Even when the codes seem to refer to the same color, they really mean different things - one is for the vinyl (or cloth, if 700), the other for the paint.  Additionally, the trim codes specify the type of seat, which varied according to the model of the car (500/700/900), although the interior paint codes remained the same:

  Hence, for an Aqua Interior:

        Trim Level
       Trim Code
       Trim Description
       Paint Code

        500
       720
       Metallic Med. Aqua Imitation Leather - Bench Seat
       A

        700
       751
       Med. Aqua Scotia Cloth/Metallic Med. Imitation Leather - Bench Seat
       A

        900
       755
       Metallic Med. Aqua Imitation Leather - Bucket Seat
       A

  Please send me the photos of the air cleaners, engine number, etc.

  Thanks!

  Bill

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  From: Dale Hewitt [mailto:dhewitt at triad.rr.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:39 PM
  To: whubbell at umich.edu
  Subject: Re: Interior Color Code on Trim Plate

  Bill,

  I'm sending a photo of the body plate from the '64 Monza convertible.  I tried earlier to send you photos of the engine, VIN plate, and the engine number but it bounced - apparently too big for your server.  

  Please let me know if you want the photo of the air cleaners, engine number, etc. and I'll send them individually.

  After looking at a number of other 1964 model plates, my initial question should be ammended and expanded.  Why have both a letter code for the interior following the paint code in addition to the trim code number on the left side and why do you suppose that Willow Run changed the location of the letter code from following the paint code, separated by a hypen (like the Almond Fawn convertible) to the later location below the paint code?

  Thanks.

  Dale

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Bill Hubbell 

    To: 'Dale Hewitt' 

    Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:33 AM

    Subject: RE: Interior Color Code on Trim Plate

    Dale,

    Just to make sure I am answering your question correctly, could you please take a digital photo of your fisher body plate and send it to me?

    712 refers to the color and trim scheme of the interior vinyl, not to the paint.

    Bill

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    From: Dale Hewitt [mailto:dhewitt at triad.rr.com] 
    Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:46 PM
    To: Bill Hubbell
    Subject: Interior Color Code on Trim Plate

    Bill,

    Hope you had a good trip home from Detroit.  

    Thanks again for the Stock Corvair Group newsletter link and for your kind response to my question about paint code 920 - E.  However, knowing the answer raises more questions.

    With the 712 - 2 trim code on the same data plate, why would GM add the interior extension to the paint code?  Is there something unique about the black interior with almond fawn paint?  Is it because it's a convertible?  Was this practice limited to 1964?

    Another thing I noticed is the number " 20 - E" written in crayon or chalk on the rectangular bracket with three hangars that supports the rear seat back.  It's written immediately toward the center of the outboard passenger side hangar.  Could this be an abbreviated paint code "920 - E"?  

    Other than a yellow exterior repaint, I believe this car is original.

    Dale 

    Dale Hewitt
    1007 Rollingwood Drive
    Greensboro, NC  27410

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