[SCG] Re: SCG-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6

Tue Oct 30 15:11:54 EST 2007

Just to chime in with a little more confirmation in vintage literature, my
1963 Chevrolet Dealer album has paint chips for all 3 models, and Ermine White
is shown on these pages.
My Rinshed-Mason color chip book shows Ermine White for all Chevrolet cars.
And the fabulous painting in the 1963 Corvair brochure shows Dad, Mom and the
2 kids out for a cruise in the Ermine White convertible with red interior, the
kids in the back obviously not wearing any seat belts!!
Check it out here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/1966Corsa180/CORVAIR19651969GMFactoryIntalledDocumentation/photo#5127219748277636914

As far as member participation, I recently joined the group, I've been a
Corvair Nut most all my adult life, and have been a member of Corsa on & off
for the same.
I'm back into them again thanks to my 1966 Corsa discovery I mentioned awhile ago.
I've created a Group website that will help provide photo documentation of the
factory stock elements of the Late Model Corvairs.  I've started with a few
pages that note features of the cars that I own.  
I'd like to invite any of you that may be interested to go to the website and
tell me what you think.  Anyone that wants to become a member can do so at the
site.
http://groups.google.com/group/CorvairResearch
We welcome everyone to share their documentation. 
If this information can be of use by the SCG to enhance the database or
provide an article for the newsletter, please feel free to use it.

On the point of Newsletters, I'd just as soon have mine delivered online.  Why
pay good money to buy paper and postage in this century??
For those who don't have online access, I suppose.

Just curious what software and format the SCG database is. 

Dan

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>    1. Ermine white - Lesson to be learned (long) (Bill Hubbell)
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> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:59:15 -0400
> From: "Bill Hubbell" <whubbell at cox.net>
> Subject: [SCG] Ermine white - Lesson to be learned (long)
> To: "'Virtual Vairs'" <virtualvairs at corvair.org>,	"Stock Corvair
> 	Group" <scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com>
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> I hate to pick on Clark's, because they generally do a pretty good 
> job, but this points out the danger of relying on vendors for information.
> 
> When I was restoring my 1964 Sedan, I discovered several incorrect parts
> which were listed as "correct" or "exact" for my car (door bumpers, rear
> package tray are two that come to mind).
> 
> Many times the vendors accept certain modifications when reproducing 
> a part in order to contain costs.  Sometimes these modifications are 
> of no consequence with regards to function, but they may have a 
> noticeable effect on appearance.  One example of this is the 
> reproduced ground strap for early model Corvairs - it is tinned 
> silver (as were all replacement GM cables), although the original 
> factory cable was bare copper.  Another example is early trunk spray 
> paint; the factory paint was much flatter and had larger and more 
> irregular "blobs" of white in the gray.
> 
> Clark's makes excellent reproduction door panels for our cars, but careful
> inspection can usually distinguish a factory stock 1964 panel from a
> reproduction panel - the mylar Monza emblem of the repro lacks the tight
> detail of the original.
> 
> The point to be made here is that while the vendors do a remarkable job
> providing us with serviceable parts for our cars, we cannot 
> completely rely on them for accuracy or originality.
> 
> As good of a book as "The Corvair Decade" is, it is still an edited summary
> of data available from various sources, and, as such, it cannot be fully
> relied upon either.
> 
> Only careful research and documentation of unmolested original cars and
> original literature will allow us to accurately document the various
> features that were original to our Corvairs.
> 
> It is for this purpose that the Stock Corvair Group was formed.  It 
> is our intent to document as much of this information as possible 
> and to store it in electronic form (scans, photographs, summary 
> articles with references to the original source) for research 
> purposes with a goal towards eventual publication of the 
> information.  This is daunting task, and we need members willing to 
> do the work.
> 
> We are currently in the process of trying to set up the computer systems
> that will make it possible to catalog the data we have been collecting.
> These systems are not free.  As we did not have enough money in dues
> collected, I and several other SCG members ponied up additional 
> funds from our own pockets to raise enough capital to allow the 
> purchase of the software.  Currently Marissa Andolino (our IT 
> administrator) is working with Bryan Blackwell to set everything up 
> on the CORSA server.
> 
> In the meantime, several of us continue to research in our areas of
> interest.  I, of course, am interested in the Early models, and especially
> the sedans and 1964s.  Kent Sullivan has done extensive research 
> with FCs and Canadian Corvairs; Mark Corbin is our 1967 specialist.  
> We are in the process of forming liaisons with the 1969 group.  I 
> would like to see similar liaisons formed with the Caveman (1960)
>  Corvairs (if they still are functioning) and the Lakewood/Monza 
> Group, as well as any other persons or groups having interest in the 
> subject of researching and documenting various aspects of Stock Corvairs.
> 
> On the subject of the newsletter, I have been the default Newsletter 
> editor sine we started the club, as nobody else has stepped forward 
> to do it.  I have high standards for the newsletter.  I like to 
> include a lot of photographs and color is invaluable in getting the 
> point across.  At this point in time we do not have the funds to 
> print and mail the newsletter, so it only exists in electronic form. 
>  I personally invested money to be able to convert my publisher 
> files to PDFs of a size small enough for downloading.  I would like 
> to put out a newsletter at least quarterly, but my time constraints 
> (work, taking care of family) and a sometimes lack of material have 
> not yet permitted me to reach that goal.  We had two newsletters the 
> first year, one so far this year, and one I am currently working on 
> now.  I would welcome any help in this area.
> 
> I am not writing this to complain, just to state the facts.  Like 
> many clubs, we have a small number of active members and a larger 
> number of members who are just "along for the ride".  SCG can 
> continue to function this way, but it would achieve so much more 
> with greater participation and better funding.
> 
> Bill Hubbell
> SCG President
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Schug
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:32 AM
> To: Virtual Vairs
> Subject: <VV> '63 Ermine White
> 
> My "1963 Colors" booklet, the small tri-fold booklet that shows all 
> the colors for "Chevrolet, Corvair, Chevy II, and Corvette" does 
> indeed show Ermine White. They list "15 solid colors and 11 rich 2-
> tone combinations" (the 2-tones are not available on Corvair Monzas)
> . Ermine White is shown as RPO 936. Further, it says, "Every solid 
> color shown is available on any 1963 Chevrolet, Impala, Bel Air, 
> Biscayne, Corvair or Chevy II model." The Corvettes were available 
> in seven solid colors plus three Corvette colors. Greenbrier colors 
> were not shown in this booklet. There is no date or number on this booklet.
> 
> Sure enough, the colors shown in my "Corvair Decade" were the same 
> except for Ermine White. My "Decade" is copyrighted 1980. Corvair 
> color chips were noted as being courtesy of Clark's Corvair Parts, Inc.
> 
> I'm surprised that Ermine White was left out of the '63 chart in the 
> "Decade". I realize it's difficult to not have a mistake in a book,
>  but am surprised at this.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> Bruce W. Schug
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