[SCG] CORSA classes

[mopar at jbcs2.net]

And I totally disagree with this assessment.
In my opinion if this thinking was followed, Concours would easily drop to
around 20 cars at a convention in short order.
Yes that would surely make things easier.
Currently the participant is competing against a standard. The participant
can improve his car regularly to try and increase his point standard.

But there are some cars that are perpetual Seniors cars that are so well
done the smaller guy would give up in short order because it cannot compete.

Even a bronze is a symbol of prestige.
It gives a participant some validation for his efforts.
But if you only give an award to the top 3 in each class, sooner or later
the participant numbers would go away...........

I think the current situation is the best thing going.
I hope it does not ever change.
And by the way, I have a few silvers and a couple bronzes from years past.
And had fun doing it.............
And do not know if I will be doing it again or not myself.
And don't think I have the talent and money to create a "gold" car.

Gary Swiatowy


From: "Mark Corbin" <airvair at earthlink.net>
Subject: [SCG] CORSA classes, was:  decal/label glue

Of course, ever since the Lake Placid convention, classification in CORSA
concours is meaningless, with the exception of being considered for the
Preservation Award. In that respect, CORSA should just stop fooling
themselves and simply eliminate ALL classes except those pertaining to that
award. It would save a lot of unnecessary work (along with possible hurt
feelings, etc.)

My own personal feelings are that getting rid of the past system of
rank-based trophies in favor of a "points-based" system that is, for all
intents and purposes, classless was foolish and short-sighted.  Concours
classification was (and should continue to be) the basis for preserving
stock vehicles, by separating them from custom and modified cars. It also
makes possible (via concours) an effort to help preserve "original" cars as
separate from "restored" cars.

A "points-based" system has only made for maximum trophies handed out, in
which case, you just might as well anymore give every entrant a trophy as
they come in, and eliminate judging, too. The purpose of "competition" is
to HAVE winners and losers, and not to hand out trophies to almost everyone
just because they showed up. Sure, handing everyone a trophy means there's
no whiners. But such trophies also lose their meaning for a
"quality-competition proven" win. A "points-based" system is but one short
step away from that, because nobody can really justify the answer to "
where you going to draw the line?" That makes for arbitrary decisions, and
arbitrary decisions are notoriously capricious and make for an unreliable
judge of quality by rank. Just how meaningful is a one-tenth point loss of
a higher (gold, silver, bronze) ranking, or for that matter a one-tenth
point win INTO any given rank? It would all depend on just where someone
arbitrarily drew the line, and just how accurate a judge of quality is THAT?

Anyway, with the founding of the SCG, relying on concours to aid in
preserving stock cars has lost a lot of its meaning. I think that
concentrating our efforts on this group is the best way to go from here on.

At least, that's the way I see it. My appologies if this got too political.
At this point, I think the discussion of this topic should be directed
solely to the Board of Directors (hence the CC address).

-Mark


> [Original Message]
> Subject: Re: [SCG] decal/label glue
>
> George is correct in stating that Concours judging is all about condition,
> not about correctness.  Factory Stock correctness only matters if you are
> trying to get your car classified into Factory Stock (Original/Restored)
or
> Street Stock Classes.




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