[SCG] CORSA classes

[henry kaczmarek]

Guys
Gary HAS the talent to have a Senior Car.
I'll testify to it.

But, he does live in New York---No matter how much you make, the State finds 
a way to take it from you.  IMO that's the only thing holding him back.

Hank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mopar at jbcs2.net>
To: <scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SCG] CORSA classes


> And I totally disagree with this assessment.
> In my opinion if this thinking was followed, Concours would easily drop to
> around 20 cars at a convention in short order.
> Yes that would surely make things easier.
> Currently the participant is competing against a standard. The participant
> can improve his car regularly to try and increase his point standard.
>
> But there are some cars that are perpetual Seniors cars that are so well
> done the smaller guy would give up in short order because it cannot 
> compete.
>
> Even a bronze is a symbol of prestige.
> It gives a participant some validation for his efforts.
> But if you only give an award to the top 3 in each class, sooner or later
> the participant numbers would go away...........
>
> I think the current situation is the best thing going.
> I hope it does not ever change.
> And by the way, I have a few silvers and a couple bronzes from years past.
> And had fun doing it.............
> And do not know if I will be doing it again or not myself.
> And don't think I have the talent and money to create a "gold" car.
>
> Gary Swiatowy
>
>
> From: "Mark Corbin" <airvair at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [SCG] CORSA classes, was:  decal/label glue
>
> Of course, ever since the Lake Placid convention, classification in CORSA
> concours is meaningless, with the exception of being considered for the
> Preservation Award. In that respect, CORSA should just stop fooling
> themselves and simply eliminate ALL classes except those pertaining to 
> that
> award. It would save a lot of unnecessary work (along with possible hurt
> feelings, etc.)
>
> My own personal feelings are that getting rid of the past system of
> rank-based trophies in favor of a "points-based" system that is, for all
> intents and purposes, classless was foolish and short-sighted.  Concours
> classification was (and should continue to be) the basis for preserving
> stock vehicles, by separating them from custom and modified cars. It also
> makes possible (via concours) an effort to help preserve "original" cars 
> as
> separate from "restored" cars.
>
> A "points-based" system has only made for maximum trophies handed out, in
> which case, you just might as well anymore give every entrant a trophy as
> they come in, and eliminate judging, too. The purpose of "competition" is
> to HAVE winners and losers, and not to hand out trophies to almost 
> everyone
> just because they showed up. Sure, handing everyone a trophy means there's
> no whiners. But such trophies also lose their meaning for a
> "quality-competition proven" win. A "points-based" system is but one short
> step away from that, because nobody can really justify the answer to "
> where you going to draw the line?" That makes for arbitrary decisions, and
> arbitrary decisions are notoriously capricious and make for an unreliable
> judge of quality by rank. Just how meaningful is a one-tenth point loss of
> a higher (gold, silver, bronze) ranking, or for that matter a one-tenth
> point win INTO any given rank? It would all depend on just where someone
> arbitrarily drew the line, and just how accurate a judge of quality is 
> THAT?
>
> Anyway, with the founding of the SCG, relying on concours to aid in
> preserving stock cars has lost a lot of its meaning. I think that
> concentrating our efforts on this group is the best way to go from here 
> on.
>
> At least, that's the way I see it. My appologies if this got too 
> political.
> At this point, I think the discussion of this topic should be directed
> solely to the Board of Directors (hence the CC address).
>
> -Mark
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> Subject: Re: [SCG] decal/label glue
>>
>> George is correct in stating that Concours judging is all about 
>> condition,
>> not about correctness.  Factory Stock correctness only matters if you are
>> trying to get your car classified into Factory Stock (Original/Restored)
> or
>> Street Stock Classes.
>
>
>
>
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