[SCG] "Bloomington Gold" for Corvairs?

Bill Hubbell whubbell at cox.net
Wed Jun 10 19:56:37 EDT 2009 

Folks,

Right now the closest thing we have to this is the ASCE - Annual Stock
Corvair Event, as set up and run each year at the CORSA convention by the
Stock Corvair Group.  We don't give out awards - just a certificate
recognizing your participation, but it is a place for lovers of Stock
Corvair to gather and show off their cars, whether un-restored barn car
originals, daily drivers, works-in-progress restorations, or Concours-ready
full-up restorations.  

The only requirement to participate is to show up.  We do ask for $15 to
help cover our costs (printing of the large evaluation packets, etc.),
although I think we have forgotten to collect it the last few years.  The
event is currently held concurrent with the Concours classification and Unit
6 evaluation on day one of the CORSA convention (although we have no real
connection to that event), so everybody has a chance to participate if they
want to. This year it is scheduled for 1-5pm on Monday, July 13th.

We are a volunteer organization, and we are dependent on the participants
also helping with the process - we are all students.  Bring your car, your
camera, an inquisitive mind, and a willingness to learn and to teach, and we
will all muddle through the event together.  We have basic evaluation
packets for each car entered into the event. We do not attempt to evaluate
every detail on every car, but we do what we can for each one, given the
extent of whatever resources we have available on that day.  We keep the
packets for our research purposes, but each participant is supposed to get a
copy of their own car's report.  Unlike Concours, we do not "judge"
anything, preferring instead to evaluate and to document.  The ASCE does not
care about the "beauty" aspect, only about stock.

We have now held a total of 3 ASCEs so far - the first was Buffalo, 2006,
then Detroit, 2007, and last was Los Angeles, 2008.  Jacksonville will be
our 4th event.

This link will take you to the SCG's ASCE policy:
http://members.cox.net/stock_corvair_group/SCG%20Policy%20for%20Annual%20Sto
ck%20Corvair%20Event.htm

The following 2 links will take you to photos of the 1st two ASCEs:
ASCE 2006 (Buffalo): http://rides.webshots.com/album/553305052nkBwHP

ASCE 2007 (Detroit): http://rides.webshots.com/album/560121201jsrsyz

If you care about Stock Corvairs, please plan to attend the 4th ASCE this
year in Jacksonville.  I hope to see you there.

Bill Hubbell
President, SCG.

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[mailto:scg-list-bounces at tiger.skiblack.com] On Behalf Of Paul Steinberg
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:23 PM
To: Wrsssatty at aol.com; dellis1 at rochester.rr.com; scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com
Subject: Re: [SCG] "Bloomington Gold" for Corvairs?

Unfortunately, some in the CORSA orginization believe that they are G-d, and

as such, their word is all devine, and not to be challanged.  I don't 
believe that any one person knows everything there is to know about the 
Corvair automobile, however, the one person that does believe that he knows 
all there is to know has chased away many a good member in the past as a 
result.  This is one of the reasons that I left the fold many years ago.  I 
love the car, and have a deep respect for CORSA, however, I just can't get 
past seeing how one person can ruin so many other members fun.
Paul in CT
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To: <dellis1 at rochester.rr.com>; <scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SCG] "Bloomington Gold" for Corvairs?


> Despite our less than complete knowledge of just what is stock/original, I
> still think that more of an effort should be made to acknowledge and 
> reward
> the  efforts of those who endeavor to preserve Corvairs in the condition
> which God  and General Motors intended!
>
> ~Bill Stanley
>
>
> In a message dated 6/9/2009 4:13:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> dellis1 at rochester.rr.com writes:
>
> AH  yess...there is the rub.....the Corvette folks
> took on the task of  extremely thorough documentation
> of "what's stock",  many decades  ago..and have that against
> which to judge their autos....hard copy master  reference
> documents that are extremely functional, both in text and
> images, for each year are available to one and all...
> CORSA chose to  ignore this effort...one would think it would
> be an early on, bedrock  activity, for the national organization...
> and just recently the   group of folks who saw the need, independently
> started SCG started down  that path..however the effort has been less than
> strongly supported by  CORSA or the general membership...in both
> the pocketbooks and their  efforts...
>
> Until the hurclean task of completing that  documentation
> occurs..and it is made available to the rank and  file...
> one can just forget about cloning the Bloomington
> Gold approach  in the Corvair world...
>
> Dave Ellis...a charter SCG  member....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  scg-list-bounces at tiger.skiblack.com
> [mailto:scg-list-bounces at tiger.skiblack.com]  On Behalf Of 
> Wrsssatty at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:22 PM
> To:  scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com
> Subject: [SCG] "Bloomington Gold" for  Corvairs?
>
> I was recently reading an article about the Bloomington Gold  Corvette 
> show
>
> and how it recognizes Corvettes that have been  preserved or restored to
> factory  authenticity and condition.   As the award procedure was
> explained;
> "It's  not really a  competition, it's a measure of how well you've
> preserved
> or
> restored a  car to factory authenticity."  Corvettes that are deemed 95% 
> or
> more  stock get a gold certification.  90-94% originality earns silver 
> and
>
> 85-89% earns bronze.
>
> I was wondering of something of this  nature has ever been considered for
> Co
> rvairs.  I know that  Corsa concours has a stock category but Corsa
> concours, to me, has  always seemed to focus more upon the quality of the
> work  done
> on  a car rather than the authenticity ("originalness" or "stockness") of 
> a
>
> car.
>
> ~Bill Stanley
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