[SCG] [Corsabod] Factory Stock Corvair Entries and Stock PreservationAward history in CORSA Concours 1997-2009

Thu Sep 17 20:09:06 EDT 2009

Mr. Pinard,

My first belief is how the Convention is advertised and promoted in whether the attendance number climbs or falls, whether it is in Concours or any other Corsa event.  Either folks will go or not go, according to their budget, distance and the menu that is presented in advance.  Second, is the feeling of the overall economy and how this effects Corsa members.  Has a survey ever been conducted?  Perhaps this would be something you could think about?  

I have to warn you, if you can not see it now, that our economy will not be improving contrary to what the news and puppet talkers may convey.  This becomes a challenge to all the board in putting their minds to work.  The concours participation has nothing to do with our recent class deletions or how stock the Corvair is.    Just today I spoke with Bob Dunahugh about the Concours layout in the flower gardens for 2010.  This is my third time communicating about the venue with Bob.  He is organized and could be the spark Corsa's needs to promote attendance and bring up Concours numbers.  Being centrally located in the US is also a big plus besides it is the 50th anniversary.  The board must have a marketing plan and promote it.  Bob's ideas appear to be sound and ahead of schedule which is what is needed for a successful convention.  

Changing the Concours rules should not bring more or less numbers for participation.  Corsa members are either interested in the Concours participation or are not, depending on how much time and effort they want to put into it.  There are too many variables that the Corsa board has no control over.  It is just that simple.  I have been a Corsa member since 1993 and have attended every national convention and judged in all units.  That's what I like to do and will continue to do with the support of the board and my team helpers of Larry Claypool and Don Wagner, plus several others behind the scene who have the same commitment I do in making the Concours the best it can be.  

The bottom line is, I have a job to do, let's not get so technical with Robert's Rule of orders that nothing gets done.  Remember this is a volunteer position and many who take on any position in regards to Corsa should be recognized and thanked.  We must all work together for the benefit of Corsa.  

I hope you share my philosophy.

Sincerely,

Duanne Luckow

PS.   Comments below in red.  

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On 9/16/2009 at 12:23 PM Jack Pinard wrote:
Mr. Luckow -

Thank you for your service and your personal comments. I would be interested in any plan you can submit that has as its goal a major increase in concours participation. I am recommending to Bob in a report that he plans on 50 cars for the Concours.  (Fifty years) Limited space to get the numbers that high.   I hope that as concours chair you are not satisfied with the numbers from recent conventions. (45,38,57,60) I have no control with these numbers. It not quantity, it's quality.  If you look at the move into senior status at Jacksonville, it is impressive, which tells me the quality of restorations are better.   Propose and/or conduct a survey if you want answers.  

If your statement was a decision made by the concours committee as a whole, please provide minutes of the meeting.  Was someone taking minutes of my changes purposed in Jacksonville?  You were there.    

The board of directors has a responsibility to all CORSA members. Agreed.

When many qualified opinions are sent to board by members concerning any event or committee the board has a responsibility to respectfully study and evaluate the topic.  I have viewed every email sent to me and archived it.  I welcome all comments and suggestions.  When a system works, why break it?  Be glad we have emails and computers in today's era for timely results.  

The preferred procedure would be for board first to direct the appropriate committee to study all suggestions from members, evaluate and make recommendations for changes if any in a detailed report listing committee members participating and minutes of all meetings.  I feel my team has done a marvelous job on the Concours committee.  There happens to be three methods published in the Communique to contact me if there are suggestions regarding Concours.  Mark Corbin has sent me via mail paper documents to review.  He has made good suggestions and comments.  Bill Hubbell with emails. Personally, I do not have the time or funds to hire a secretary for the minutes of my phone conversations for the board to review for topic discussions.    

The board would then have a body of information for orderly study, discussion and decision by voting. As you know, discussions are held after motions are made, not before.   No questions were asked of me during the board meeting in Jacksonville.  Seemed liked that would have been the time for discussion? 

If the committee does not comply with board direction, there are several other procedures available to board.

However for the board to fail to discuss comments from members is a serious breach of democratic rule as specific in CORSA governing documents and would be a public relations disaster at a time when the board is attempting to restore confidence by improving participation of all CORSA activities - including concours.

The president does not have sole responsibility or authority to decide whether member comments are given consideration by board.

And the president does not have authority to restrict board to place a topic on the agenda of meetings.  

If president refuses to honor a directors request to place a topic on agenda, the director may introduce as "New Business" or "Old Business".

President Mahler's email comment that "case is closed" does not comply with his duties as specified in governing documents and
is disrespectful to the other eleven members of the board of directors.  Has the board voted for deleting the classification classes purposed at Jacksonville?  

I believe that directors can "disagree without being disagreeable".

I hope that you share this philosophy.

Sincerely,

Jack Pinard

  Jack Pinard   
CORSA Western Division Director

116 E Garden Green, Port Hueneme CA 93041-1926 
Cell 805 340-6533

From: dal <daluckow at aol.com>
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Subject: Re[2]: [Corsabod] Factory Stock Corvair Entries and Stock PreservationAward history in CORSA Concours 1997-2009

Please do not be concerned about Concours classification for any upcoming agenda.  Tim is in tune with my agenda.  He is a highly qualified judge (Unit 4)  The worst job anyone should have to do.  For now the Concours classification is as Tim indicated below.  Carry on with other Corsa matters.  Thank you.

Sincerely,

Duanne Luckow
Corsa Concours Chairman

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On 9/15/2009 at 6:23 PM tim mahler wrote:
Correct the response has been quite NEGATIVE.

It is not on the agenda nor will it be added.   The issue has already been assigned to the Concours Chairperson.  The recent changes to the Concours rules ALREADY included major changes to classifications.  When the Concours chair presents anything new, It will be added to the agenda.

Stock class. Street Stock.   Improved (modified,  non stock, whatever)  Hybrid (engineering -- Corvair bodied or Corvair powered but not both)

For now,  case closed. 

tim mahler

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jack Pinard 
To: whubbell at umich.edu ; Larry Claypool ; Duanne Luckow ; CORSA/CPF BoD ; Stock Corvair Group 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Corsabod] Factory Stock Corvair Entries and Stock PreservationAward history in CORSA Concours 1997-2009

Bill -

I repeat that I have requested president Mahler to include concours classification as topic for discussion at scheduled board meeting.

I have not received positive response.

This topic will be introduced at next board meeting and I will move that a special committee chaired by a director be appointed to study all aspects of concours and report back within 90 days to board.

I expect that the committee will consider your views as well as all members of the concours committee, whomever they are, and other members in making recommendations to the board.

Although I am not well versed in details of classifications, my goal is to increase and enhance participation in councours for the benefit of CORSA as a whole.  Concours is a primary purpose of conventions, and an opportunity for media promotion.

Regards,

Jack Pinard

  Jack Pinard   
CORSA Western Division Director

116 E Garden Green, Port Hueneme CA 93041-1926 
Cell 805 340-6533

From: Bill Hubbell <whubbell at cox.net>
To: Larry Claypool <vairshop at sbcglobal.net>; Duanne Luckow <daluckow at aol.com>; CORSA/CPF BoD <corsabod at corvair.org>; Stock Corvair Group <scg-list at tiger.skiblack.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 9:04:56 PM
Subject: [Corsabod] Factory Stock Corvair Entries and Stock Preservation Award history in CORSA Concours 1997-2009

To:
Larry Claypool, CORSA Concours Classification Chairman
Duanne Luckow, CORSA Concours Chair
CORSA Board of Directors
Stock Corvair Group

Gentleman,

Attached is a summary of all cars entered into the two CORSA Concours Factory Stock classes since the development of the Stock Preservation Award in 1997.  Although we have had some great success with recent Factory Stock Restored entries also winning the Mitchell Award, the fact remains that participation in the Factory Stock Classes remains very low.  Please review this information with an eye towards answering the question of what, if anything, we can do to encourage and improve Factory Stock participation at the Concours level.

Thank you

Bill Hubbell
President, Stock Corvair Group

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