[SCG] Name

Sun Jul 3 13:29:47 EDT 2011

Here is my take on it.

There are four possible outcomes for a car:
1. Leave it alone, preserving originality. 
2. Restore it to Stock appearance and specifications
3. Modify it
4. Use it up (wear it out, junk or destroy it)

Now, I agree that choice #1 is the most valuable option for a true collector, mainly because it is so rarely done. Most cars are bought and driven, gradually wearing put and being modified along the way. Therefore, once original preservation is no longer a viable option, I favor option #2 (stock restoration) over #3 (modification), but even #3 is preferred over #4.

There is a great sense of satisfaction which comes from researching originality and then using that knowledge to return something from the brink of destruction to as near possible its original form and function.  Done right, restored "originals" are the next best thing to preserved originals.

Bill

On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:18 PM, "Mark Corbin" <airvair at earthlink.net> wrote:

> That is why terminology is important. Every possible meaning must be considered, and discussed, and why everyone's viewpoint must be given equal weight. It's why the term "improved" was a bad move in the concours rules.
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> I put forth the idea simply as a talking point, since Kent and another person were having a discussion on rounding up local "stock" cars for the convention this year. Seems most people have "modified" their cars to at least some degree, and there was a question of originality. So I decided to toss the idea out and see what people's thoughts were. Thanks for making some good points. 
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> I don't know if anyone responded to my mention recently about the Survivor Collector Car website;
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> http://www.survivorcollectorcar.com/
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> I recommend that everyone at least read their definitions and requirements, found under the "standards and process" toolbar button. It's very enlightening, as is the article "Restore it? Or Not" under the button of the same name. I have sent in my application to become one of their judges as a result, because I think it will help me do a better job for this group. I'd appreciate others thoughts on this as well.
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> -Mark
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Hubbell
> To: airvair at earthlink.net;Stock Corvair Group
> Sent: 7/3/2011 10:03:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [SCG] Name
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> Mark,
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> Sorry, but I disagree.  Most people in the old car hobby already associate the use of the work “stock” with the concept of originality, as in the condition of the car as it left the factory or as was delivered to the customer.  However, the word, “original” has many other meanings besides the one you are suggesting.  For instance, a concept or person may be considered “original” when they are uniquely different from the norm, in which case a truly unique modification of a Stock Corvair might be considered an “original” (Smitty’s 1964 wagon, for instance).
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> Besides, we need to understand that if we limited our interests to those cars which were only “original” we would have a very small club and very few cars.  Exactly how “original” should the car be – would we follow CORSA Concours definitions for Factory Stock Original and allow up to 25% modifications, or none at all?  Would having changed the oil, tires, filters, etc. make the car no longer “original”?
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> Finally, there is the fact that we have clearly defined our intent to embrace both original and restored Stock cars in our own Bylaws and Mission Statement:
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> Bylaws:
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> Article II. PURPOSES
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> Section 2.01 EDUCATION ABOUT STOCK CORVAIRS
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> Encourage interest in and aid in the research, preservation, restoration and operation of Stock Corvair automobiles, trucks and related vehicles; provide an environment in which members can expand their knowledge and common interest in Stock Corvairs
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> Section 2.02 ENJOYMENT OF STOCK CORVAIRS
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> Provide a friendly social environment in which members can appreciate and enjoy their progress in maintaining or restoring Stock Corvairs.
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> Section 2.03 DOCUMENTATION OF STOCK CORVAIRS
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> Provide a means for gathering and publishing data documenting the physical appearance, and historical background of Stock Corvairs
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> Mission Statement
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> Encourage interest in and aid in the research, preservation, restoration and operation of Stock Corvair automobiles, trucks and related vehicles.
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> Provide an environment in which members can expand their knowledge and common interest in Stock Corvairs
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> Provide a friendly social environment in which members can appreciate and enjoy their progress in maintaining or restoring Stock Corvairs.
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> Provide a means for gathering and publishing data, documenting the physical appearance, and historical background of Stock Corvairs.
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> So please, let’s just stick with “Stock Corvair Group”
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> Bill Hubbell
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> SCG President
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: scg-list-bounces at tiger.skiblack.com [mailto:scg-list-bounces at tiger.skiblack.com] On Behalf Of Mark Corbin
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:15 AM
> To: Stock Corvair Group
> Subject: [SCG] Name
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> All,
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> The thought occurred to me that the name of our group really ought to be "Original" Corvair Group instead of "Stock" Corvair Group, since that is what we are trying to document.
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> -Mark
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