[SCG] [Corsabod] Annual Stock Corvair Event - needs to become a real event

Mon Jun 29 19:23:15 EDT 2015

I do not want to get into a great debate on this subject. My suggestion was
to plan a SCG event independent of the CORSA convention as I clearly stated.
So BOD approval as far as it being part of the convention would not be
necessary, just the boards blessing of a SCG event like CORSA does for so
many other non convention events.

I will state my argument once and I really do not have the time to get into
a lengthy online debate. As I see the problem with CORSA is just too many
different interests groups all trying to operate under one umbrella. The
majority of CORSA members are not interested in retaining stock vehicles.
The display class is many times larger than the concourse class for that
reason. Then add the V8 gang and the racers and you quickly see why the SCG
seem to be feeling insignificant. The AACA is founded on preserving
automotive history and factory specification vehicles. The HPOF, Historic
Preservation of Original Features class was established for the sole purpose
of preserving factory original vehicles and receives the appropriate status
because of the mission of the AACA. Most of the Corvairs that I see
attending a CORSA event would not be allowed at an AACA event. The Corvette
people went thru the same deal a few years back and broke into separate
organization because of it. Lets face it, the interests of someone who owns
the latest and greatest Corvette model, the racer who has a vintage but very
modified Corvette, and the concourse and factory stock preserver all have
very different personalities and philosophies.  Trying to get all to play
together nice it a challenging task. While I in no way want to suggest we
dissolve CORSA which is very important to the main stream Corvair
enthusiast, I just suggest that the SCG may be better holding an event
outside the shadow of the convention where the group can be with its own
kind. 

Thanks and I rest my case, Chuck Facklam

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From: Ken Hand [mailto:vairmech at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 7:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [Corsabod] [SCG] Annual Stock Corvair Event - needs to become a
real event

Chuck,
Work with the Stock people and come up with a proposal. It really is that
simple. It will take foot work and coordination with the (Concours chair?).
If the proposal is viable and can be shown to work within the structure of
the convention I don't see why it can't be incorporated somehow. Of course
the usual BoD vote will have to happen and I am only one on the BoD but the
Prez generally does not vote.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248-613-8586
www.corvairmechanic.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Facklam via Corsabod <corsabod at corvair.org>
To: lynndee <lynndee at cwo.com>; 'Bill Hubbell' <whubbell at verizon.net>
Cc: 'CORSA/CPF BoD' <corsabod at corvair.org>; 'Stock Corvair Group'
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Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2015 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Corsabod] [SCG] Annual Stock Corvair Event - needs to become a
real event

This is the reason why despite being a CORSA member for over 30 years
and
chairman of the 2006 National Convention, I no longer take part in
CORSA
events. I have become a very engaged member of the AACA (Chaired the
Eastern
National AACA Convention last year!) because it does recognize
the
importance of all original vehicles. I own a 20,000 mile early
production
all original 500 1960 coupe which proudly displays a AACA HPOF
Original
badge. I have never bothered to bring it to a CORSA convention for
this
reason. I have proudly displayed it at 5 AACA National events because
there
the vehicles have their own class and are appropriately displayed
and
recognized. 
  So enough of my ranting, I will make even a more bold
suggestion. I
suggest we have a Stock Corvair Group event independent of the
CORSA
convention. I will be happy to lead in its arrangements. If people
are
serious I think we should start a discussion as to when and where.

Chuck
Facklam

-----Original Message-----
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] On Behalf Of Dave
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Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 11:29 AM
To: Bill Hubbell
Cc: CORSA/CPF
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Subject: Re: [SCG] Annual Stock Corvair Event - needs
to become a real event

I would support Bill's proposal to have a new Annual
Stock Corvair Event.
I realize that this is a small number of Corvair owners,
but there has
long been a need for this unique recognition. The Stock Corvair
Group has
laid the groundwork for this important preservation and recognition
of
Corvair
history.

Dave Palmer
CORSA Western Director

> Ten
years ago we founded the Stock Corvair Group (SCG) as a Special
> Interest
Group chapter of CORSA.  We had grand plans at that time to add a
> special
event to the CORSA annual convention to address the ongoing lack
> of
recognition for stock vehicles.  Our Mission statement, our goals, and
> our
detailed plans were all written and approved as part of our Chapter
> 
application and approval, and have been publicly displayed on our website
> 
ever since - http://stock.corvair.org.
> 
> Unfortunately, we have never
managed to fully realize our goal to have a
> formal event to showcase,
evaluate, and recognize original and restored
> Stock cars and their owners. 
Early on we had to fight to just to get on
> the convention schedule, and then
we were relegated to parking lot
> meetings and half-hearted inspections.  The
first year we had to do our
> inspections in a dark garage, out of the public
eye, and in subsequent
> years it never got much better.  Eventually many of us
got discouraged and
> lost interest.
> 
> This year we were once again
relegated to a parking garage, and due to
> poor communication, most of us did
not even know where we were meeting
> until an hour after we were supposed to
start.
> 
> In the meantime, we have once again missed an excellent opportunity
to
> showcase and recognize a wonderful original Corvair.  The white '63
> 
Lambrecht Corvair, purchased by Pete Borchert, made an appearance at our
> 
convention.  I first learned of it after it went through Concours
> 
Classification.  I was upset to learn it had been classified "Modified"
> due
to non-stock Tires, shocks, and a few other consumable items.  I have
> to
concede that Concours was simply following their rules, whether I agree
> with
them or not.
> 
> The more significant lesson we should take away from this
experience,
> however, is that CORSA does not presently have a proper venue
for
> showcasing a car such as this at our international convention. 
Concours
> is not the proper venue, as it is primarily a beauty contest, with
reward
> for achievement in the elusive goal of perfection of fit and finish. 
The
> goal of preserving originality, however, emphasizes the maintenance of
fit
> and finish as produced by the factory.  Where Concours emphasizes
shine
> and perfection, stock judging emphasizes the imperfections of paint
> 
overspray, factory dings, etc.
> 
> Not to take anything away from Concours,
but CORSA should also have an
> event to promote and recognize achievement in
preserving originality, or
> in researching and duplicating it where
preservation is not possible.
> 
> That event should be the Annual Stock
Corvair Event (ASCE) as originally
> conceived and detailed in our Chapter
Application or something of a
> similar nature.
> 
> To make this event a
reality, the ASCE must be elevated in importance from
> a chapter-sponsored
event to a regular Convention event, promoted and
> sanctioned by CORSA as an
integral part of the convention schedule.
> 
> I propose that the event be held
concurrent with the Car Display (People's
> Choice) event, held on the same
field but in a separate, designated area,
> open to viewing by the public. We
would follow the plan already outlined
> in the SCG Policy for the ASCE, which
includes awarding certificates of
> participation.
> 
> I should note that
other car clubs already have in place similar events,
> including:
> 
> AACA's
HPOF (Historic Preservation of Original Features) class:
> 
http://aacanorthernchapter.com/?p=51
> 
> Corvette USA's "Bloomington Gold"
program:
> 
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/index.php/classic-events/judging/survivor-cor
vette
> 
> 
> 
Also, many prestigious Car shows have added survivor or preservation
> classes,
including Pebble Beach, and Amelia
Island:
> 
> 
http://classiccars.about.com/od/whatmakesitaclassic/fl/Survivor-and-Preserva
tion-Class-Cars.htm
> 
> 
To pull this off, I would ask CORSA to support and promote the event in
> 
official convention planning and publications, and to begin recruiting
> 
members to commit to running the event for each convention.  The SCG will
> 
assist this process to the best of our ability.  However, this should
> become
a CORSA event, not simply an SCG event.
> 
> This event is not meant to compete
in any way with Concours and nothing
> should preclude cars from participating
in both events, should their
> owners so choose.
> 
> However, to ease the
burden of adding a new event to the already busy
> CORSA schedule, I propose
initially limiting registration for the ASCE to
> the first 10 cars the first
year, gradually increasing the number as we
> gain experience and confidence in
the procedure.
> 
> Please note that I have reviewed the above proposal with
all current SCG
> officers and presented it this week to the members attending
our annual
> SCG meeting held last night.  We are all in agreement that this
is
> something that should happen and would be beneficial to CORSA.
> 
> Now,
we need your help.  I ask the CORSA BOD to take this to the next step
> -
discuss it amongst yourselves, make and pass a motion to make it a
> reality. 
I and the others included on this mailing are available to
> assist and answer
questions to the best of our ability.
> 
> Bill Hubbell
> President, Stock
Corvair Group.
> 
> Link to ASCE
policy:
> 
> 
http://stock.corvair.org/wordpress/about-scg/policies-2/policy-for-annual-st
ock-corvair-event-asce/
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