[V8Vairs] V8Vairs Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1

[Tim Barrie]

Many thanks to the group, especially Tom and Seth.
I took .100" off the side cover and made a few adjustments with the
push-pull cables. I now get all the gears and no grinding. 
It appears the 1st-2nd fork was not going all the way into first nor all of
the way out of second. 
Thanks again to all that offered suggestions. Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Barrie
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:40 AM
To: 'discussion of non-stock engines in Corvairs'
Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] V8Vairs Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1

Tom, I did not compensate for the difference in the cover. At the time that
I did the rebuild on the tranny I did not realize that there was a
difference in cases.
This sounds like a weekend job to pull the cover and will hopefully give it
a try this weekend. 
I am still not totally convinced that it is not my shift linkage though.
I did some more experimenting last night and it looks like the shifter will
leave second engaged and still gate over to third. I have done the
calibration of the Hurst shifter with the .250" pin many times but there may
be enough play in the Morse cables and hem joints to still be causing my
problem.
I will let you know what I find.
Thanks again, Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Zimmermann
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:40 PM
To: v8vairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] V8Vairs Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1

--Tim,did you compensate for the 1/8" difference between the Corvair and
big-car case??and if so,how??...take a look,put a pan under the
side-cover,and pull it off in-car SLOWLY,,,watching the shift forks..i
suspect at least one has only one end still in the synchro groove,other end
is what's jamming things up preventing the 'sliding' outer from moving
toward gear engagement...

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Today's Topics:

   1. Saginaw side plate shifter (Tim Barrie)
   2. Re: Saginaw side plate shifter (Matt Nall)
   3. Re: Saginaw side plate shifter (Tim Barrie)
   4. Re: Saginaw side plate shifter (Matt Nall)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:43:02 -0400
From: "Tim Barrie" <tbarrie at meritprecision.com>
Subject: [V8Vairs] Saginaw side plate shifter
To: <v8vairs at corvair.org>
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Re: 65 Kelmark, Hurst shifter, Morse cables, big car side plate.

 

Back in April I had asked the group about some shifting problems that I was
having with a big car side plate on a corvair Saginaw. At the time some of
you suggested that I play around with the shift cables and lever lengths
before I work on the forks.  That has not solved the problem.

I had the tranny rebuilt and the side plate installed. This problem came
about fairly quickly after about 50 miles of no shift problems. 

My symptoms are a first gear rattle as if something is thrashing around and
an inability to shift from second to third most of the time. Once out of
second going back is not possible without grinding the gears.

It shifts very easily when standing still or when running on jack stands.
Reverse is not a problem.

It is almost as if the first/second fork is not in neutral so the
third/fourth fork can't move.

Does this now sound like a problem with the length of the shift forks or do
I still have shifter problems?

Appreciate the experience and advice. Tim



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:50:18 -0400
From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] Saginaw side plate shifter
To: v8vairs at corvair.org
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It shifts very easily when standing still or when running on jack stands.
Reverse is not a problem.


Does this now sound like a problem with the length of the shift forks or do
I still have shifter problems?

Appreciate the experience and advice. Tim


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 Sounds more like a dragging clutch....  The Forks do not care if the wheels
are on the ground or not.


Matt Nall
Charleston, Oregon
http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/reswr0kp/






 


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:14:23 -0400
From: "Tim Barrie" <tbarrie at meritprecision.com>
Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] Saginaw side plate shifter
To: "'discussion of non-stock engines in Corvairs'"
    <v8vairs at corvair.org>
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Matt, if it was the clutch, which is new, would I not have a problem between
first and second as well? Tim



-----Original Message-----
From: v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org [mailto:v8vairs-bounces at corvair.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Nall
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:50 PM
To: v8vairs at corvair.org
Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] Saginaw side plate shifter




It shifts very easily when standing still or when running on jack stands.
Reverse is not a problem.


Does this now sound like a problem with the length of the shift forks or do
I still have shifter problems?

Appreciate the experience and advice. Tim


=================================================================


 Sounds more like a dragging clutch....  The Forks do not care if the wheels
are on the ground or not.


Matt Nall
Charleston, Oregon
http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/reswr0kp/






 
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:34:18 -0400
From: Matt Nall <patiomatt at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [V8Vairs] Saginaw side plate shifter
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Matt, if it was the clutch, which is new, would I not have a problem between
first and second as well? Tim


Not always....  in my experience.


Matt Nall
Charleston, Oregon
http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/reswr0kp/








 
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