<VV> Seats

[Stephen Upham]

All I'm trying to say is that a modification that includes, say, a 
shoulder strap has a possibility of working.  A seat with no shoulder 
strap has no possibility of keeping you from messing up ones face.  The 
seat will be but in the same location and bolted down as well as or 
better than the original.  Will it perform worse, as well as, or better 
than the original; only a crash will tell.  I'll take my chances with 
the mods, thankyou.

As far as passenger side mirrors, radial tires, metallic brake shoes, 
padded dashes ect. goes, there is no argument at all.

Stephen Upham
Dallas, Texas

Mid prod. #18732 -1965 Monza sedan 110, Sierra Tan - Saddle, PG, A/C, 
original AM/FM, clock, tint, oil bath air filter, w/ 77K  (being 
overhauled to .030 over and would love to get its HP and Torque tested 
on a dynamo after the rebuild)     & . . .


Corvairium II
On Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004, at 06:42 US/Central, Bill Hubbell wrote:

> Oh, I am not offended by people making changes to their Corvairs, but 
> I do get bothered when people try to claim modern day safety standards 
> and practices to the changes.  Today's cars go through rigorous design 
> and testing phases to arrive at their ability to offer protection.  
> Adding components of modern safety equipment to old cars does not have 
> the same methodology, and the results cannot be assumed to be the 
> same. Remember, once you start modifying a car you are moving away 
> from the researched and tested design, and the end product may or may 
> not be safer than the original.  Unless you are able to put your car 
> through the same testing procedures (doubtful), at best you can only 
> guess as to the safety "benefit" of the changes.
>
> That is all I was trying to say.
>
> Bill Hubbell
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Upham" 
> <contactsmu@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <VirtualVairs@corvair.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:06 AM
> Subject: Fwd: <VV> Seats
>
>
>>> Bill, do as you wish.  If a few simple improvements like radial 
>>> tires, dual master cylinders, extra passenger side mirror, shoulder 
>>> belts, padded dashes, or head rests offend your "original" 
>>> sensibilities, then no one is going to make you do it.  On the other 
>>> hand, if someone wants to add a few safety improvements to increase 
>>> the comfort and/ or safety of their Corvair, how is that an affront 
>>> to you?
>>>
>>> Stephen Upham
>>> Corvairium II
>>> On Monday, Aug 23, 2004, at 23:04 US/Central, Bill Hubbell wrote:
>>>
>>>> More Naderism.  Who are we kidding.  If you are really so concerned 
>>>> about safety we shouldn't even be driving these 40 year old cars 
>>>> --- or should we? As for me, I will continue to enjoy driving my 
>>>> Corvairs with nothing more than they were equipped with by the 
>>>> factory --- Love that 1964 solid steering shaft!!
>>>>
>>>> Bill Hubbell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "airvair" <airvair@richnet.net>
>>>> To: "Stephen Upham" <contactsmu@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Cc: <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: <VV> Seats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just be aware that in order to make the belts function in a crash 
>>>>> the
>>>>> way they are supposed to do, the floor has to be reinforced 
>>>>> adequately.
>>>>> Kent has done a good job on his car, but until a real-world 
>>>>> destructive
>>>>> crash test is conducted, the reinforcement adequacy is purely an
>>>>> educated guess. Question is, would you bet your life on what you
>>>>> install? Because a poorly thought out job could be even more 
>>>>> dangerous,
>>>>> rather than safer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to do engineering testing in a research lab, and on at 
>>>>> least one
>>>>> occasion this included a seat belt pull test.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephen Upham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have always liked the idea of the Sebring convertible seats 
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> of the fact that they come with their own shoulder belt that is
>>>>>> integrated with the seat-back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See: The Chrysler Cure
>>>>>>   Go to Kent Sullivan's website. www.corvairkid.com
>>>>>> and look at the Chrysler seats he put in his LM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephen Upham
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