<VV> Re: VirtualVairs digest, Vol 1 #71 - 9 msgs

chapmanmd@charter.net chapmanmd@charter.net
Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:20:56 +0000


Can't we all just get along?

If we, or at least some of us, are just going to start contacting each other only off of the list for advice, tips, tricks, whatever, then we pretty much have defeated our purpose to exist.

I don't know about many of you, but I look forward to reading insightful responses by many of our expert contributors. Do you know how lucky we are to have these experts who are willing to share this knowledge? Having been in dinosaur Porsche restoration circles for many years, I can tell you that not every marque has the vastness and availability of knowledge resources that we, often times take for granted.

Let's get over ourselves, guys and gals. If someone passes a smart a^% response, take it in the vein that it was intended: fun. If we dont have the expertise to answer a question correctly, then dont answer.

This is a forum, I thought anyway, intended for the sharing of knowledge of Corvairs and related subjects. I have not been around here for very long, but I have not seen anyone promoting themselves as "all knowing, all powerful." We all have different ways of doing things and often times, more than one of them is correct. There are some really knowlegeable experts on here, however, that have forgotten more about Corvairs than some of us will ever know. I for one, appreciate all of you.

Perhaps I am blowing all of this way out of proportion, but I get tired of reading complaints about how somebody didnt answer something the way that you wanted them to. If you dont like a reply, then trust someone else. But by all means, do not keep the resolutions to your problems secret. Reinventing the wheel is not what I had in mind when I started my first Corvair restoration.

Enough bitching. Again, can't we all just get along?

Mark Chapman
66 140/4 vert
63 Porsche 356C 1600 GT Carrera
97 Audi RS4
48 Ariel Square Four Model 4G
63 Norton 500

1 restored, 1 not.... Porsche wins...
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>    1. Re: Corvair Video to DVD Project (John Beck)
>    2. Corvair Video to DVD Project (Wrsssatty@aol.com)
>    3. RE: Universal Sender Unit (Keith Hammett)
>    4. Re: Universal Sender Unit (John Beck)
>    5. Re: Corvair Video to DVD Project (Tony)
>    6. RE: Nader Special (Norman C. Witte)
>    7. LM Brake Drum Run Out Posts (YENBAT@aol.com)
>    8. LM Brake Drum Run Out Posts (YENBAT@aol.com)
>    9. Gas Gauge: Resistor Won't Work (N. Joseph Potts)
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:02:06 -0600
> From: John Beck <jb30343@navix.net>
> To: Bill Hubbell <whubbell@umich.edu>
> CC: Virtual Vairs <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair Video to DVD Project
> 
> Great.  How were you able to get duplication rights to all of these? 
> --J.B.
> 
> Bill Hubbell wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Folks.  Having recently added Video to Digital hardware and a DVD
> > burner to my computer system, I am now in the process of converting some of
> > my old taped videos to digital.  I have just completed the conversion
> > process for several of Tidewater Corvair Club's copies of many of the
> > historic Corvair movies, dealer promos, and advertisements.  Unfortunately,
> > the quality of our videos were not very good to begin with, and time has
> > taken its toll as well, resulting in very poor colors and contrasts.  Thus,
> > I am interested in buying or borrowing high quality historic Corvair Videos
> > for the project.  Once I have captured the videos digitally, I will be able
> > to burn DVDs without any loss in quality, and the images and sounds will be
> > protected from further degradation.  I am willing to pay a fair price for
> > borrowing or buying the videos, and once it is completed I will attempt to
> > make the DVDs available at no charge to CORSA chapters.
> > 
> > At present, my digitized collection includes the following features:
> > 
> > >From Here to There (fair VHS quality)
> > Daring the Darrien (Fair VHS quality)
> > The Corvair in Action - 1960 (Excellent digital quality)
> > The Case of the Methodical Men (Fair VHS Quality)
> > 1963 Corvair Performance (Fair VHS Quality)
> > AGL  (Poor Video, Fair Sound)
> > Corvair "Yummy" Showroom Ad (Poor B&W video, Sound Good)
> > Michael Landon Spyder Convertible Ad (Poor red video, Sound OK)
> > Corvair Gymkhana "Swell" (Poor red video, Sound OK)
> > Everglades NP Video (B&W Video OK, No sound)
> > Corvair Collision Tests at GM Proving Grounds (Fair B&W video, no sound)
> > CORSA Promo with Girl in Black dress (Fair video, good sound)
> > Chevrolet "Hide &Seek" Ad (fair Red video, fair sound)
> > 1963 Chevrolet "One Stop Shopping" ad (fair B&W video, fair sound w/hiss)
> > 1962 Corvair and FC ads (fair B&W video, sound OK)
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 2
> From: Wrsssatty@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:52:41 EST
> To: virtualvairs@skiblack.com
> Subject: <VV> Corvair Video to DVD Project
> 
> Bill Hubbell, et al.,
> 
> Would you, or anyone willing to work with you, have the technical capability 
> to use the original films (i.e. 16 mm. motion picture as opposed to video) 
> from which to capture digital images for the DVD project?  This would result in a 
> much better quality than using the old videos that were, afterall, taken 
> themselves from the original films some time ago.  Those films are still out 
> there, many in the hands of folks on this list or other Corsa members.  Perhaps the 
> project could be a fund raiser for the museum/CPF.  Just a thought.  
> 
> Bill Stanley
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 3
> Reply-To: <khammett@stainlessfab.com>
> From: "Keith Hammett" <khammett@stainlessfab.com>
> To: <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> Cc: <VairKing@hotmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:18:15 -0600
> Subject: <VV> RE: Universal Sender Unit
> 
> From Corvair Basics, Chapter 18: Fuel System, page 65:
> 
> "With early model cars and FCs the sender reads 0-30 ohms, empty to full.
> That is zero ohms when empty and 30 ohms when full.  With the late model
> cars it should read 0-90 ohms, empty to full."
> 
> You will be set in a '65 with a 90 ohm sender.
> 
> Keith Hammett
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Subject: Re: <VV> Universal Sender Unit
> 
> So what is the resistance of a '65?  I was wondering because I am going to
> be
> putting an aftermarket fuel cell with a 90 ohm sender in the Corsa, and was
> hoping it would work with the stock guages.  I do plan on putting
> aftermarket
> guages in, but probably not until this summer...
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:26:20 -0600
> From: John Beck <jb30343@navix.net>
> To: khammett@stainlessfab.com, virtualvairs@skiblack.com
> Subject: <VV> Re: Universal Sender Unit
> 
> I'm no electronics wizard Keith.  I was just guessing that since the
> universal sender has roughly 3 times the resistance of the original, a 
> 300% linear amplification of the voltage getting to the gauge should
> make things more or less correct.  I've been using 3140 op amps in
> another project lately and they seem to be pretty forgiving of my ham
> fisted approach to electronics design.  A 3140 and 2 resistors would
> make a simple linear amp.  That, plus a filtering capacitor would easily
> fit on a tiny circuit board hidden behind the dash.  I think you can get
> single 3140's at Radio Shack for about a buck.
> 
> Granted, it's not 1960's technology.  IC op amps didn't become common
> until the 70's.  I suppose the circuit could be built using 60's vintage
> transistors.
> 
> Keith Hammett wrote:
> > 
> > John,
> > 
> > This sounds interesting.  Do you have any details on this set up.
> > 
> > I am also looking into maybe using a LM gage put in place of the EM gage.
> > Not sure if the LM gage would work with the EM dash.
> > 
> > I am trying to build a new stainless steel tank for an fc using parts that I
> > can get locally a lot cheaper.  A rebuilt fc sender is $125.00 plus
> > shipping, the universal is $20.00 (no shipping go past parts house at least
> > once a week).
> > 
> > Any further help on this would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Keith Hammett
> > 
> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:30:44 -0600
> > From: John Beck <jb30343@navix.net>
> > To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> > Subject: Re: <VV> Universal Sender Unit
> > That error seems pretty acceptable when compared to some of the factory
> > guages I've seen on much newer cars. If accuracy is important, I think
> > it would be possible to adapt the 90 ohm sender using an op-amp and a
> > few resistors, rather than just a resistor. The parts total for the
> > conversion would rise to about a buck. Might be a fun project though.
> > --J.B.
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:29:46 -0800
> To: Wrsssatty@aol.com, virtualvairs@skiblack.com
> From: Tony <tonyu@roava.net>
> Subject: Re: <VV> Corvair Video to DVD Project
> 
> At 0952 02/25/2004 -0500, Wrsssatty@aol.com wrote:
> >Bill Hubbell, et al.,
> >
> >Would you, or anyone willing to work with you, have the technical capability 
> >to use the original films (i.e. 16 mm. motion picture as opposed to video) 
> >from which to capture digital images for the DVD project?  This would
> result in a 
> >much better quality than using the old videos that were, afterall, taken 
> >themselves from the original films some time ago.  Those films are still out 
> >there, many in the hands of folks on this list or other Corsa members.
> Perhaps the 
> >project could be a fund raiser for the museum/CPF.  Just a thought.  
> 
> 
> 
> The ideal way to do this is via scanning the original MP film, but motion
> picture film scanners are few and far between and expensive, and not
> usually seen outside major video/film production houses.   
> 
> I agree that this is THE way to go, far as a decent transfer to consumer
> media is concerned.   But it's gonna cost ya... at least initially, up
> front.   It requires some relatively sophisticated hardware... the scanner,
> digital video tape to store the master, and then disk production
> facilities.   Then again if it's to be done on a limited scale, a home DVD
> burner could well work out nicely IF you have a good source, such as that
> aforementioned digital video tape.   
> 
> Anybody in here work in a production house...?   
> 
> 
> tony..  
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 6
> Reply-To: <ncwitte@wittelaw.com>
> From: "Norman C. Witte" <ncwitte@wittelaw.com>
> To: <Chickwich5151@cs.com>, <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
> Subject: RE: <VV> Nader Special
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:41:01 -0500
> 
> I have a picture of it at the Corvair Ranch....
> 
> Norm Witte
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org
> > [mailto:virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org]On Behalf Of
> > Chickwich5151@cs.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:23 PM
> > To: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> > Subject: <VV> Nader Special
> >
> >
> > Hey Everyone,
> >        Does anyone recall the "Nader Special", it was an
> > orange early model
> > convertible, mid engine V-8, with the words Nader Special
> > written down the
> > side.  I believe it was scrapped at the Corvair Ranch a few
> > years ago.  I was
> > hoping someone out there remembered the car and possible had
> > pictures when it was
> > runnning/racing.
> > please contact me off line if you have any pics.
> > Andy Hammond
> > Chickwich5151@cs.com
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> Message: 7
> From: YENBAT@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:44:18 EST
> To: virtualvairs@skiblack.com, virtualvairs@corvair.org
> Subject: <VV> LM Brake Drum Run Out Posts
> 
> I sent the following email a bit ago and want to clarify one thing.
> 
> Smitty... This was not directed at you and after sending it I realized it 
> would appear so. Your
> responses are most always right on and to the point.
> 
> The reason was the original question was "What is the runout limit."
> 
> I was sitting in the vicinity of my manual collection so I looked it up and 
> answered. I also
> post it to the list so in case anyone else was curious as to the answer they 
> would have it.
> 
> There were other posts that were not helpful in any way and then there was:
> 
> Let's expand what you stated--The ".005 total indicator reading" is AFTER
> the drum has been re-surfaced! Ref .Corvair Shop Manual Pg 5-13; 2nd
> paragraph,last sentence(under  Figure. 27)--Gotta get picky-ya
> know---------!   Dewey
> 
> This is the sort of thing that I find to be a waste of time space and 
> bandwidth and am begining to understand why Larry Claypool left this list.
> 
> Y'all will note that my answer to the gentleman that wanted to know about 
> mounting his tissue holder in his '65 LM was not posted to the list. But he 
> didreceive an answer and 
> a scanned copy of the proper page from the 1965 Accessory Manual.
> 
> Just had to comment on this... But then I'm also suffering from a severe cold 
> and not my
> usual happy and jovial self.
> 
> In a message dated 2/25/04 2:57:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> kaczmarek@charter.net writes:
> > Smitty says:  I am not sure what the original question was asking since
> > the term runout was used and questioned.  The .005 quoted by someone is
> > the limit of runout. (that is orbit around the center).  If the question
> > was asking the max diameter you can turn a Late drum to, the answer is
> > 9.560
> The question was asking for the maximum runout...
> 
> I answered it for him on the list as well as direct...
> 
> Next time I answer a question it will be driect only.
> 
> The rest can find out for themselves.
> 
> Tim Abney
> CORSA and I.E.C.C. Member
> '65 Monza Coupe
> '61 Lakewood
> '62 700 Sedan (not yet roadworthy)
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 8
> From: YENBAT@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:44:18 EST
> To: virtualvairs@skiblack.com, virtualvairs@corvair.org
> Subject: <VV> LM Brake Drum Run Out Posts
> 
> I sent the following email a bit ago and want to clarify one thing.
> 
> Smitty... This was not directed at you and after sending it I realized it 
> would appear so. Your
> responses are most always right on and to the point.
> 
> The reason was the original question was "What is the runout limit."
> 
> I was sitting in the vicinity of my manual collection so I looked it up and 
> answered. I also
> post it to the list so in case anyone else was curious as to the answer they 
> would have it.
> 
> There were other posts that were not helpful in any way and then there was:
> 
> Let's expand what you stated--The ".005 total indicator reading" is AFTER
> the drum has been re-surfaced! Ref .Corvair Shop Manual Pg 5-13; 2nd
> paragraph,last sentence(under  Figure. 27)--Gotta get picky-ya
> know---------!   Dewey
> 
> This is the sort of thing that I find to be a waste of time space and 
> bandwidth and am begining to understand why Larry Claypool left this list.
> 
> Y'all will note that my answer to the gentleman that wanted to know about 
> mounting his tissue holder in his '65 LM was not posted to the list. But he 
> didreceive an answer and 
> a scanned copy of the proper page from the 1965 Accessory Manual.
> 
> Just had to comment on this... But then I'm also suffering from a severe cold 
> and not my
> usual happy and jovial self.
> 
> In a message dated 2/25/04 2:57:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> kaczmarek@charter.net writes:
> > Smitty says:  I am not sure what the original question was asking since
> > the term runout was used and questioned.  The .005 quoted by someone is
> > the limit of runout. (that is orbit around the center).  If the question
> > was asking the max diameter you can turn a Late drum to, the answer is
> > 9.560
> The question was asking for the maximum runout...
> 
> I answered it for him on the list as well as direct...
> 
> Next time I answer a question it will be driect only.
> 
> The rest can find out for themselves.
> 
> Tim Abney
> CORSA and I.E.C.C. Member
> '65 Monza Coupe
> '61 Lakewood
> '62 700 Sedan (not yet roadworthy)
> 
> --__--__--
> 
> Message: 9
> From: "N. Joseph Potts" <pottsf@msn.com>
> To: "Corvair List" <virtualvairs@skiblack.com>
> Cc: "Charles Morgan" <charliemorgan@comcast.net>
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:53:06 -0500
> Subject: <VV> Gas Gauge: Resistor Won't Work
> 
> Group:
> The 47-ohm jumper across a 90-ohm variable resistor will NOT provide a
> usable gas-gauge function. I revised my calculations of last night on this
> subject to correct a mistaken translation of the circuit to a formula, and
> the results now show that, at half-full, the gauge will read (slightly
> beyond) full (or empty, depending on whether resistance rises or falls with
> level of fuel in the tank). The peak error is at 50% (half full), and the
> error there is over 100% (full-or-empty).
>      I've attached the spreadsheet showing the calculations, but it will, of
> course, reach only Charles Morgan, not the list.
>      If anybody has tried this "fix," or expects to try it in the near
> future, I'd love to hear from you as to how it goes, on the list or off.
> 
> Joe Potts
> Miami, Florida USA
> 1966 Corsa coupe 140hp 4-speed with A/C
> 
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> 
> 
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