<VV> Ignition upgrades
Eric S. Eberhard
flash@vicspdi.com
Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:57:59 -0700
But they are cool! The lower HP ones run fine with any old plug, but the
turbos seem to do better with these plugs. It may be because I run too
rich because the main difference is that I don't foul these whereas I do
foul the 44ff.
Besides, I never bought my vairs to be cheap, they are a hobby, so for the
extra 30 bucks every 10-20,000 miles, what do I care (I put 6000 a year so
you can see this is not a major expense).
If you really want to be cheap, buy a Hundyai !
At 07:51 AM 7/6/2004, Ron F Hinz wrote:
>$6.81 a plug!!! I can run my vairs for years on $1.29 plugs and without a
>miss. I suppose they are good for talking, however.
>RonH
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eric S. Eberhard" <flash@vicspdi.com>
>To: "Patten Del R Civ AFRL Det 8/PKMA" <del.patten@kirtland.af.mil>
>Cc: <virtualvairs@corvair.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:17 AM
>Subject: RE: <VV> Ignition upgrades
>
>
> > The Silverstones are "6s"from http://www.PerformanceDepot.com and their
> > full description is:
> >
> > MFG: Nology
> > >PRODUCT NUMBER: 120001050
> > >DESCRIPTION: Silverstone S6 - 14mm, 1/2 Reach, Gasket, 13/16 Hex
> > >(Non-Resistor)
> >
> > I have earlies. On the driver side rear fender is a brace that holds the
> > fender to the body. I fashioned (from bolt stock) two "U" bolts that I
> > then wrapped around the brace and through the holes in the MSD and bolted
> > down tight. The power lead I ran under the flashing for the shrouds over
> > to the hot lead on the starter. The ground was attached by removing the
> > stock ground stud and attaching to the inside of that stud (I shortened
>the
> > wire). The ground has to be attached before bolting up the MSD. I then
> > ran the MSD wires under the flashing in the rear of the shrouding and
> > popped them out just below the coil in a hole that was already there. The
> > wires had to be extended a foot or two and I followed MSD instructions and
> > went up one size in gauge. They are well wrapped in tape to prevent
>chaffing.
> >
> > The only thing I could not hide was all the extra wires. One note on the
> > tach --> it is not obvious but it does not hook to the coil, it hooks to
> > the same lead from the Pertronix that used to go to the coil. The tach
> > works perfectly (MSD has lots of warnings re: tachs not working and even
> > has a tach output terminal --> ignore it all!).
> >
> > I also left the loop connectors on the Pertronix and made loop connectors
> > on the MSD wires and screwed them together to make the connection. This
> > allows me to re-wire as stock fairly easily (bypassing the MSD) and also
> > allows me to replace the Pertronix easily with points if I need to.
> >
> > Another non-obvious thing, the MSD has wires for electronic pickup and for
> > points ... use the ones for points, electronic pickup is for cars w/out a
> > distributor. There is actually (on the last page) a diagram for hooking
>to
> > a Pertronix.
> >
> > At 09:24 AM 7/6/2004, Patten Del R Civ AFRL Det 8/PKMA wrote:
> > > OK Eric...I'll ask for more info!! Especially on the hiding
>everything
> > >part...I have done 1-3 but am interested for sure in 5...Never have heard
>of
> > >the Silverstones...is there a plug number I can ask for and a particular
> > >FLAPS that carries them?? Thanks...
> > >
> > > Del Patten...CNM
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org
> > >[mailto:virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org]On Behalf Of Eric S. Eberhard
> > >Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 6:33 PM
> > >To: David Baker
> > >Cc: virtualvairs@corvair.org
> > >Subject: <VV> Ignition upgrades
> > >
> > >
> > >1) 8mm spark plug wires
> > >2) Pertronix II electronic ignition
> > >3) Pertronix II Flame thrower Coil
> > >4) Silverstone spark plugs
> > >5) MSD 6a capacitive discharge ignition module
> > >
> > >1,2,3 are the minimum I would do an this yields significant improvement
>as
> > >well as avoiding the need to adjust points. However, I have had one fail
> > >over the years (I have 2 now both set up the same with all 5 above). I
> > >keep the original points plate with points properly gapped in the trunk.
>I
> > >also wire the MSD and Pertronix such that I can swith to points or bypass
> > >the MSD w/out problems (never had an MSD go bad). I do this by using
> > >screwed junctions rather than blade connectors. Feel free to call if you
> > >want more detail.
> > >
> > >The Silverstone plugs are neat but I cannot prove much except they do
> > >resist fouling well. They are "old fashioned" in one way --> they look
> > >dimensionally exactly like a 44f and even have copper gaskets. However,
> > >they are constructed of silver which in theory conducts electricity
>better
> > >than platinum.
> > >
> > >So with 1-4 you have a car much easier to keep in tune and which can
> > >compensate a bit for worn distributor and other not so new parts. It
>does
> > >not change the way it drives all that much (maybe a bit smoother).
> > >
> > >The MSD is expensive and a pain to hide and some trouble added to the
> > >wiring (about 150 bucks). If you really want to do both then I would
> > >suggest doing all at one time. This unit gives tremendous benefit! It
> > >sparks 3 times per piston stroke at low rpm and tapers of at high rpm.
>It
> > >also gives a stronger spark. What this means is that much changes in the
> > >way the car drives: it starts MUCH easier, especially when cold. It
>idles
> > >more smoothly and runs without sputtering, again mostly when cold. It
>revs
> > >at the very top a bit smoother, even hot. It allows me to run a bit
>richer
> > >which in theory is cooler and has more power.
> > >
> > >Again, if you call or keep emailing I can provide more info including a
> > >great way to hide the MSD and wiring and so forth.
> > >
> > >Good luck!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 06:09 PM 7/2/2004, David Baker wrote:
> > > >Eric,
> > > >
> > > >Recently on Virtual Vairs you posted this regarding your '62
> > > >Spyder: "Oh, when I say stock, it is except for significant
> > > >ignition improvements which help driveability a lot."
> > > >
> > > >Could you elaborate on what ignition improvements you made? I
> > > >have a '64 Spyder, and would like to know what you did. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >Dave Baker
> > > >
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Eric S. Eberhard
(928) 567-3727 Voice
(928) 567-6122 Fax
(800) 569-1122 Denver Office (I am never there, you can leave a
message)
(720) 339-4765 Cell
http://www.vicspdi.com
Completely updated web site of personal pictures with many new
pictures! Includes horses, dogs, Corvairs, and more.
http://www.vicspdi.com/ourpics/index.html