In a message dated 7/14/04 2:51:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ronh@owt.com writes: Almost any of those ingredients could have a high PH, it wouldn't show from that list. RonH You do mean a LOW PH don't you. High PH is alkaline. Even the Non-Chemist in me knows that. Tim Abney CORSA and I.E.C.C. Member '65 Monza Coupe '61 Lakewood '62 700 Sedan (Gone to good home)