<VV> What's More Trouble-Prone? 140hp or 150/180hp?
Eric S. Eberhard
flash@vicspdi.com
Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:34:30 -0700
Hmmm .... if you don't use that Judson let me know as I might want it.
The Judson does not provide neck-snapping power. It is fairly snappy off
the line but not near as quick as the Spyder at speed. But, it does add a
ton of torque. In the mountains here where (with my PG) there are freeways
where I could only go 50-55 and can now go 80 (speed limit = 75 here). One
nasty hill kept the stock car at 40 or so, it manages 70 to 75 (if I dent
the floor with the gas pedal).
The best thing about the Judson is how cool it looks and sounds! Very
vintage and a lot of fun.
At 01:52 PM 6/8/2004, Patten Del R Civ AFRL Det 8/PKMA wrote:
> I don't have an early with a small block but I am hoping for a wagon which
>doesn't have a powertrain at all...so the idea was we would slip in a Buick
>135 but if not that, I was leaning towards the small block with a Judson as
>one of our guys has an unused one!! All of them are improved by electronic
>ignition and for that matter fuel pump!! But let's not start any wars
>here!! All of mine have electric fuel pumps and all will have Pertronix
>although the GB has the Chrysler setup right now...Pertronix may be more
>long lived!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric S. Eberhard [mailto:flash@vicspdi.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:46 PM
>To: Patten Del R Civ AFRL Det 8/PKMA
>Cc: virtualvairs@corvair.org
>Subject: RE: <VV> What's More Trouble-Prone? 140hp or 150/180hp?
>
>
>I thought it was MSD 6A but my invoice had the following:
>
>http://www.summitracing.com MSD-6200
>
>It is easy to install -- six wires in all, one power (I took it off the
>starter), one ground (back of the ground bolt), two wires to the Pertronix
>II wires and two wires to the coil. I hid my unit in the rear fender by
>fashioning U-bolts and bolting it to a cross member under there. It made
>stringing the wire a pain. If you mount it in the engine compartment it is
>a cake walk.
>
>If you have an early with the small engine (145 ci) and you want some fun
>you might try a Judson. Mine is still very trouble free and nice.
>
>
>
>At 11:10 AM 6/8/2004, you wrote:
> > Which MSD ignition did you use Eric??
> >
> > Del Patten...CNM
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org
> >[mailto:virtualvairs-admin@corvair.org]On Behalf Of Eric S. Eberhard
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:49 AM
> >To: N. Joseph Potts; Corvair List
> >Subject: Re: <VV> What's More Trouble-Prone? 140hp or 150/180hp?
> >
> >
> >I have 62 Spyder cvt and 62 Monza Sedan with 102 hp (2 carb) that I just
> >changed to Judson supercharger ... but ran for a long time with 2
> >carbs. The Spyder is fully restored and "perfect", the sedan is an ugly
> >heap.
> >
> >The Spyder is "finicky" ... I am at some altitude (3400) and summers are
> >hot (up to 105) and winters cold (down to 14) ... mixture and choke
> >settings are tricky. The Spyder always needs more fiddling and fouls plugs
> >more often. I would not recommend a Spyder if all you care about is
> >driveability ... however, it is a pure JOY to drive ... fun, makes all the
> >right noises, etc. As far as performance ... it is stock, so I would loose
> >a drag race with a mini van ... it is high performance for a 42 year old
> >car, but not by modern standards.
> >
> >The 2 carb 102 hp is a great daily driver (I actually have a PG in
> >it). Starts right up and has less fussing. Never fouls plugs. It is not
> >exactly quick or sporty :-) Adding the Judson has made it more finicky,
> >but not as much as the Spyder. I do have to reset the choke for summer and
> >winter but that is about it.
> >
> >There are two things you can do to greatly improve driveability in either
> >--> install a Pertronix II ignition and coil as well as 8mm wires. Second,
> >you can install an MSD ignition which is fabulous but hard to hide (I hid
> >mine so that things looks stock).
> >
> >Good luck!
> >
> >At 03:58 PM 6/7/2004, N. Joseph Potts wrote:
> > >I think most are agreed that the basic two-carb Corvair engine is simpler
> > >and easier to keep running as it should than either of the two
> > >high-performance designs, four-carburetor and turbocharged. But which of
> > >these is harder to keep in good fettle? I owned a two-carb long ago
> > >(bullet-proof), and I find my present four-carb example predictably
> > >more-demanding. I've never owned a turbo, and have been cowed by the
> > >complexity and stress of a turbocharging system. Reading VV for a couple
>of
> > >years has NOT quite answered my question.
> > > I'd like to hear ONLY from people who've had BOTH, optimally
> > >concurrently and/or in the same year of Corvair.
> > > Please be reminded that I'm NOT proposing a thread on which engine
>is
> > >BETTER. Tastes and needs vary, as do the characteristics of these two
> > >high-performance designs. I really only want to hear about how they
>compare
> > >in terms of amount, expense, and difficulty of maintenance required to
>keep
> > >them running as designed.
> > >
> > >Joe Potts
> > >Miami, Florida USA
> > >1966 Corsa coupe 140hp 4-speed with A/C
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Eric S. Eberhard
(928) 567-3727 Voice
(928) 567-6122 Fax
(800) 569-1122 Denver Office (I am never there, you can leave a
message)
(720) 339-4765 Cell
http://www.vicspdi.com
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